Bye Week Blues

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:50 pm

Come on, SNAKE, you can come around to saying you agree with me. Question, when you did something wrong and your mom whipped your butt, did you learn not to do it again? Answer, yes, unless you were a glutton for punishment, in which case you got the second buttwhoppin. So don't say it won't work. Problem today is there aren't enough good buttwhoppins happening.

Changing the subject, you and Little Snake going to the Heat parade?

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:55 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
again, decent idea with some merit, but like i said, it wasn't fully thought out...

what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?

what if the highest avg position player on a teams bench has only played 1 game, scored 25 points, but is now hurt for a few weeks. will this player be input into the teams starting lineup in place of a bye week player?

how will this work when games start on thursday, saturdays, sundays, mondays, ie when will the highest avg position player be rolled into the starting lineup and be locked?

maybe there should be a computer program running that could also make FAAB bids for dead owners?

next idea? This is exactly my point. Close,,,errrr try and close one can of worms and it opens up many more.

You rephrased one of my examples and added a few more.

Snake... yes, any player might be better, but when the player chosen either gets too few or too many points based on WHATEVER system is used compared to a similar player, then you basically have the SAME problem all over again. These boards will light up like your redundant threads.

Why was that player chosen?
TEAMS D, E, and F were adversely affected based on that player, instead of TEAMS A, B, C on another. No thank you. Lose-lose like I said before.

Someone will bitch and have just as VALID an argument as being posed now. Believe me, It's been my job for 20 years.

Adding to GG...

What if I don't want to make a change to my lineup for two weeks? Will the computer assume I'm tanking and put in some player I don't want?

What is the criteria for putting a team on this program?

How do you know for 100% certainty after one week?

To the guy that answered my post as puzzled....

I've been dealing with this since 1986. There has never been a perfect solution. Great suggestions here. They might be better. They might not be also. I have found it best to deal with it case-by-case. This is something I don't want to see tested with $100k on the line. It could get really ugly.

All this said, it's Greg's game. He'll do what he thinks is best for his game. As it should be.

Just put my fave clause in that covers all. "Greg has the right to do whatever to preserve the integrity of the game."

If he has 100% proof, then by all means set a new lineup every week. There's not much you can do about that forst week or two.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:59 pm

Originally posted by Tamuscarecrow:
I like Diesel's idea of your basic a**whopping at the next draft. In all my years that has ALWAYS proven to be the best deterent. Obviously I would have to subcontract this out and make it untraceable so he doesn't sue me for the $100K I'm going to win this year.

Public flogging does work.

I give everyone one private e-mail. Next time league wide. That did the trick for 20 years until a guy tried it for the 3rd year in a row last year and he became the only guy I've ever 86'ed.

Before flogging, you must be 100% sure or you will be the one with egg on your face.

RiFF · Post by **RiFF** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:08 pm

I wholeheartedly concur with those that support reasonable methods to ensure/improve the competitive structure of the leagues throughout the entire 13 week period and help to eliminate or at least muffle the effect of abandoned/ignored teams. Of course the best way is to have 14 motivated/competitive owners. Although certainly too late for this year, one way to consider maintaining the competitive balance of the league for the entire 13 week period is too determine the league champion by the total number of points scored during the 13 weeks. Of course, this would eliminate the H2H weekly matchups that may be favored by many. Another way would be to implement a scoring method used on other sites; that is, each team plays all other teams every week. Therefore, the team with the highest score for the week gets 13 points for that week and the 2nd highest score gets 12 points etc,.etc, while the team with the lowest score that week gets 0 points for the week. Again, this eliminates H2H each week but no team would either directly benefit or be penalized from Dead Money (which if properly controlled, isn't necessarily a bad thing!!). This scoring method, I thought, worked well in not only diffusing the abandoned team effect, but also lessened the probability of a much inferior team winning the league title by drawing very favorable weekly matchups. Again, just a couple of other ways to consider to possibly circumvent the frustration of abandoned teams/dead money in the future. Although I'm sure someone (or many) may see flaws in both these options in additon to eliminating the H2H matchups. That someone(s) may, of course, be the sponsor of the event who is perfectly happy with the scoring structure as it currently exists!!

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:24 pm

YES to BYE week computer fillins.

YES to IR computer fillins.

NO to computer replacing OUT status players.

YESYESYES to public beat downs...lol

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:29 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
again, decent idea with some merit, but like i said, it wasn't fully thought out...

what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?
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Then go ahead. The program would bench bye week players on Tuesday morning, then all Owners can manipulate their roster however they please, including STARTING bye week players if they choose to do so. This only affects Owners who abandon their teams, not ones who are actively managing it.
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what if the highest avg position player on a teams bench has only played 1 game, scored 25 points, but is now hurt for a few weeks. will this player be input into the teams starting lineup in place of a bye week player?
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Maybe. How would that be worse than the abandoned team that is allowing a bye-week player to start instead? Again, this solution is far from perfect, but how is it not an improvement? It would be too much work for Greg (or anybody) to go in and spend time figuring out the "best" player to start. There would need to be a set system that is automatically applied. Any suggestions?
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how will this work when games start on thursday, saturdays, sundays, mondays, ie when will the highest avg position player be rolled into the starting lineup and be locked?
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Admittedly, that may be a problem, but it would be each Owners responsibility to manage his roster with the NFL schedule in mind. It's not unlike being responsible for STARTING one of your players by Thursday. If you're not aware that one of your studs is playing early and you don't start him on time, then it's nobody's fault but your own.
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maybe there should be a computer program running that could also make FAAB bids for dead owners?

next idea?

[ June 21, 2006, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Shrink Attack ]

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:43 am

Originally posted by UFS:

What if I don't want to make a change to my lineup for two weeks? Will the computer assume I'm tanking and put in some player I don't want?
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Again, the program would bench all bye week players on every team each Tuesday morning, then every Owner can manipulate their rosters however they choose. Owners who are still actively managing their teams can start players on byes if they actively choose to do so. If an Owner wants to keep the same lineup as the week before, it takes 30 seconds to reset it. That's not asking too much from an Owner in a 100k contest in order to help neutralize the quitters.
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What is the criteria for putting a team on this program?
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There is no criteria. Every team has their bye week players benched on Tuesday. Then all active Owners can set their starting lineup however they choose, just like they do every week.
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How do you know for 100% certainty after one week?
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See above.
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To the guy that answered my post as puzzled....
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Thanks for the shout-out, guy.
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I've been dealing with this since 1986. There has never been a perfect solution. Great suggestions here. They might be better. They might not be also. I have found it best to deal with it case-by-case. This is something I don't want to see tested with $100k on the line. It could get really ugly.
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A Case-by-case approach means damage gets done, people get upset, and the response is subjective and variable. You may have been doing this a lot of years (as have I), but you must never have been in a League like the one that me, BillyWaz, and GOD Loves You were in last year in Chicago #5. It was nip-and-tuck all the way until the end when a Team called Black & Asian (we'll see if they show their faces at this year's draft) quit on us at the worst time. Despite multiple emails from all of us, they refused to set their lineups. We watched helplessly as they played players who were on byes and who were OUT in crucial Head-to-Head matchups. It was infuriating, and also tarnished the League. While I'm not saying that this solution is perfect, it's intolerable to leave the system as is.
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All this said, it's Greg's game. He'll do what he thinks is best for his game. As it should be.

Just put my fave clause in that covers all. "Greg has the right to do whatever to preserve the integrity of the game."

If he has 100% proof, then by all means set a new lineup every week. There's not much you can do about that forst week or two. [/QB]

[ June 21, 2006, 07:35 AM: Message edited by: Shrink Attack ]

Yoda's S*x Slave · Post by **Yoda's S*x Slave** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:43 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
again, decent idea with some merit, but like i said, it wasn't fully thought out...

what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?

maybe there should be a computer program running that could also make FAAB bids for dead owners?

next idea? Not idea thought up by you, quick to dispell are you, hmmm. On message board for all to discuss presented this was. Fully thought out no, with merit it has.

Who in right mind starts bye week player?

Propose insane thoughts do you, try to ridicule all, yes, hmmm.

Suggestion good by Shrink is this. Discussion by all, yes, must have.

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:05 pm

Originally posted by Yoda's S*x Slave:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
again, decent idea with some merit, but like i said, it wasn't fully thought out...

what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?

maybe there should be a computer program running that could also make FAAB bids for dead owners?

next idea? Not idea thought up by you, quick to dispell are you, hmmm. On message board for all to discuss presented this was. Fully thought out no, with merit it has.

Who in right mind starts bye week player?

Propose insane thoughts do you, try to ridicule all, yes, hmmm.

Suggestion good by Shrink is this. Discussion by all, yes, must have. [/QUOTE]Well said, my furry-eared friend.

BTW...have you seen Obi-Wan around? He owes me 20 bucks...