Bye Week Blues

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?
There was a situation last year in Week 12 where my partner and I were seriously debating whether we would "throw" our game. We had no shot at winning the league (due to a poor H2H record), but were 2nd in points. In Week 12, we played the team that was ahead of us in points, and this team had a great shot to win the H2H title. Under the current format, where H2H wins the league, throwing the game made a lot of sense. We decided not to do it, and ended up beating this team. We then scored enough points in Week 13 to get into the Championship Round as a wild card.

So, if we had intentionally started a crappy lineup, would that have been wrong?

Shrink Attack · Post by **Shrink Attack** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?
There was a situation last year in Week 12 where my partner and I were seriously debating whether we would "throw" our game. We had no shot at winning the league (due to a poor H2H record), but were 2nd in points. In Week 12, we played the team that was ahead of us in points, and this team had a great shot to win the H2H title. Under the current format, where H2H wins the league, throwing the game made a lot of sense. We decided not to do it, and ended up beating this team. We then scored enough points in Week 13 to get into the Championship Round as a wild card.

So, if we had intentionally started a crappy lineup, would that have been wrong? [/QUOTE]No, it wouldn't be wrong as long as the purpose was to help yourself. If you threw a game to help someone else, then that would be wrong.

But in line with the theme of this thread, the system I'm proposing would allow an Owner to start a player with a bye if he ACTIVELY chose to do so.

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:09 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
what if someone wants to start a bye week player on purpose?
There was a situation last year in Week 12 where my partner and I were seriously debating whether we would "throw" our game. We had no shot at winning the league (due to a poor H2H record), but were 2nd in points. In Week 12, we played the team that was ahead of us in points, and this team had a great shot to win the H2H title. Under the current format, where H2H wins the league, throwing the game made a lot of sense. We decided not to do it, and ended up beating this team. We then scored enough points in Week 13 to get into the Championship Round as a wild card.

So, if we had intentionally started a crappy lineup, would that have been wrong? [/QUOTE]First you took the high road ... and I agree with it and it what I hopefully would have done.

If you had tanked a game so your buddies team could go to the playoffs ... that's collusion and dead wrong (punishable by a public beating).

Under the circumstances you laid out ... I think you sould be allowed to do what is in your best interest to make it to the playoffs. How can that be argued. It goes back to ... can you buy a QB off of free agency just to prevent someone else from having them? In my opinion ... as long as it is for the sole purpose of inproving YOUR teams chances to win you should be able to do it ... isn't that the point of the contest ... to win using strategy?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:11 pm

Well, the situation would have been eliminated by making points the 1st criteria, and H2H the 2nd -- but that's a debate for another day.

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:14 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
Well, the situation would have been eliminated by making points the 1st criteria, and H2H the 2nd -- but that's a debate for another day. Like tomorrow on Tom's discussion thread!

FatPerez · Post by **FatPerez** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:28 pm

Problem today is there aren't enough good buttwhoppins happening.Don't worry Tamu, I shall be bringing plenty enough for everyone here very shortly.

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:42 pm

Originally posted by SNAKE:
this is the way it is in The SNAKE Classic btw...SNAKE does readily admit to taking a cue from GiGi here on this format (just giving credit where credit is due)...what is fairer than this?..it rewards the best of both worlds ISHO...SNAKE

LEAGUE PLAYOFF FORMAT:
#1 seed - Total points champ
#2 seed - H2H champ or next h2h if total points champ is also h2h champ
#3 seed - next high total points
#4 seed - next high total points
#5 seed - next high h2h
#6 seed - next high h2h

#3 plays #6, #4 plays #5 Week 14
#1 plays lowest winning seed, #2 plays highest winning seed Week 15
Winners play for SNAKE Classic Championship, losers play for 3RD PLACE Week 16 Absolutely! This is one of Gekko's better idea's.

It doesn't seem like a big one at first ... but it makes a ton of REAL difference at the 5 and 6 slots. It makes your record mean something ... otherwise record just dictates the order of the spots three thru six ... 80% - 90% of the time.

This would be fine too!

LEAGUE PLAYOFF FORMAT:
#1 seed - H2H champ or next h2h if total points champ is also h2h champ
#2 seed - next high total points
#3 seed - next high total points
#4 seed - next high total points
#5 seed - next high h2h
#6 seed - next high h2h

... but one of those two formats!

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:31 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:
Well, the situation would have been eliminated by making points the 1st criteria, and H2H the 2nd -- but that's a debate for another day. ....and we should keep petitioning for it even if it never happens! Sure does solve alot of the "fairness" issues.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:39 am

The ideas on this thread have some merit, but UFS is correct that having me decide which bench players automatically go into starting lineups opens a new can of worms. We currently have some "dead" teams in baseball right now and guys are asking me to change their lineups because obviously every category counts in baseball, but there's no way I can jump into a guy's lineup and change it. We also added a second transaction period in baseball that allowed you to reserve DL players each Friday -- a simple enough new rule I felt for baseball -- and of course that initially opened up a whole new debate as to what "DL" actually was.

Nothing is as simple as the rule proposed here. We have done many things to keep people playing all year long, from having Weekly Prizes to Consolation prizes to Lifetime Standings. Sure, we could program something to make sure everyone has active players in their lineups, but when you have guys paying $1,250 each to play in a contest it's honestly their job to put in active lineups each week, not ours.

There were some "dead" teams in the NFFC last year, but not as many as this thread is making out. I will certainly talk to STATS about all the options that are available because I'm not even sure we could do what is being proposed here. I'll find out. But right now I think the key is to set up a contest that gives people incentives to keep competing and fill up a contest with good owners who will compete year 'round.