Throwing in the towel

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:18 am

Originally posted by stormola:
Take away the silly, arbitrary, lotto ticket , H2H play and go strictly by points and this would never be an issue . I kind of agree.

'Victory Points' and Most Points should be the two teams that advance to the Playoff Round.

'Victory Points' You play Team B, if You win you get 1 point. You get 2 points for being the top 4 teams, 1 point for being the 5-9 and no points for 10-14 of that week.

So if you lose but finish 2nd overall you get 2 points. If you win but have the 2nd to lowest score You get only 1 point for the win.
Per week of course.

John

renman · Post by **renman** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:56 am

Originally posted by stormola:
Take away the silly, arbitrary, lotto ticket , H2H play and go strictly by points and this would never be an issue . Take away the H2H play and we likely have 85 total entries into the event.

lumpy463 · Post by **lumpy463** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:13 am

Look at league standings, then power rankings.

It is very easy to see who is first in Record, Points, and All Play.
These three people should make the Championship round!

Then fans of any format have their shot.

The only confusion is what should be considered 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.
Based on the NFFC tendency to H2H, I would suggest one of the following:

First Place Best H2H
Second Place Best Total Points separate from the H2H champion
Third Place Best All Play separate from the H2H and Total Points champion

OR

The three above all make a league playoff and play for total points over weeks 14,15, and 16.

What does everyone think?

Derek "Lumpy" Anderson

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:20 am

Sounds like you returned from margaritaville safely!!

renman · Post by **renman** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:26 am

I actually think it is fine the way it is. There is value in H2H... there is protection for the strong scoring team who has bad luck in H2H. I like the 3 week playoff between the two winners for the extra money... I like it how it is personally...

This comes from someone who is 3-6 in the primetime event and in the top 15 in total points. If you remove the H2H aspect of this you take an enourmous amount of the texture away from the event for many people. For most fantasy players, it is still very much about beating the other team that specific day. It is very much about reviewing your matchups and their matchups and rooting for your players and against the opponents.

Removing this creates the sense of setting the lineup and checking later for the results. Don't forget removing H2H takes away the many fantasy games that comes down to the wire on Monday night and have thrilling (or heartbreaking) endings. Keep in mind when you are playing another team H2H there are twice as many players to care about. That appeals to many people.. especially those who do not play in countless leagues as some here do.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:33 am

b4 it's over, i believe the H2H format is going to drive me out of most fantasy football contests.

it sucks more and more fun and skill out of this game every year.

renman · Post by **renman** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:38 am

Gekko,

I am curious... How does it suck MORE skill out each year? Isn't H2H the same as it was 10 years ago? I think we have seen steady and consistant growth in fantasy football each year. That leads me to believe fun is not being sucked out of it and maybe the opposite is happening. Why not try to start an all play satelite game? That way you only need to get 14 owners. The main event needs to appeal to the masses.

[ November 03, 2008, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: renman ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:43 am

Originally posted by renman:
Gekko,

I am curious... How does it suck MORE skill out each year? Isn't H2H the same as it was 10 years ago? I have seen steady and consitant growth in fantasy football each year. That leads me to believe fun is not being sucked out of it. Why not try to start all play or total point satelite games? That way you only need to get 14 owners. The main event needs to appeal to the masses. Renman, i'm not speaking for everyone else. i'm speaking for me. Gekko's "fun level" based on H2H format...
10 years ago - 95 units (out of 100)
9 years ago - 90 units (out of 100)
8 years ago - 80 units (out of 100)
7 years ago - 70 units (out of 100)
6 years ago - 60 units (out of 100)
5 years ago - 50 units (out of 100)
4 years ago - 40 units (out of 100)
3 years ago - 30 units (out of 100)
2 years ago - 20 units (out of 100)
1 years ago - 10 units (out of 100)
This Year - 5 units (out of 100)

as i've invested more time and resources into winning at fantasy football, it's tougher and tougher to take losing out because of the inequities of H2H amongst other things.

renman · Post by **renman** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:54 am

Gotcha,

Your previous post implied to me it was sucking the fun out of fantasy football in general. I now understand you mean for you. I respect that. H2H frustrates me too. I have been in 6 NFFC leagues prior to this year and was total point champion in 4 of them yet only won 1 H2H title (and that was on a tiebreaker).

This year I am second in total points in my NBC primtetime league and sit at 3-6. I completely understand your point. My point is that without the H2H aspect of fantasy football it is NOT as appealing to the general fantasy football population. I think you can respect that point of view right?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:08 am

Originally posted by renman:
Gotcha,

Your previous post implied to me it was sucking the fun out of fantasy football in general. I now understand you mean for you. I respect that. H2H frustrates me too. I have been in 6 NFFC leagues prior to this year and was total point champion in 4 of them yet only won 1 H2H title (and that was on a tiebreaker).

This year I am second in total points in my NBC primtetime league and sit at 3-6. I completely understand your point. My point is that without the H2H aspect of fantasy football it is NOT as appealing to the general fantasy football population. I think you can respect that point of view right? of course. There are plenty of people that play the lottery as well.

[ November 03, 2008, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]