Faulk Rumor

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
It will be interesting to see where Jackson goes and if a non-Faulk owner (such as yourself) makes a push to get him to potentially put the Faulk owner in a bind. I will love watching the Faulk's owner's face as I select S.Jackson. His season will quickly flash before his eyes. No doubt about it. He'll be sick for the next few days thinking about his blunder.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Of course, all this is assuming Jackson is going to step right into the Rams' offense and perform at a high level. If I knew he would play at a high level, I'd bump him up to the 4th round.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
So even if you're a Faulk owner and miss out on Jackson, you may end up with a solid RB option later who will produce if/when Faulk misses time. hehe

[Tom Kessenich]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
hehe I don't know if I'd laugh at that one Gordon. Seriously, if you miss out on Jackson, but let's say you get Dunn. Duckett can't take the starting job and Faulk misses three games and in those three games, Dunn is huge. So while Faulk is out, you don't have the handcuff but you have a solid RB who can help you with Faulk on the sidelines. That's hardly out of the question.

So while getting the handcuff is nice, I don't think it's the only way to protect yourself if you're a Faulk owner. The key there, obviously, is hoping Faulk isn't out for an extended period of time. If he is and you don't have Jackson I would agree your potential RB production is less enticing.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
That's hardly out of the question.
If you get Faulk with your first pick and you have Dunn on your team as a third running back (to fill in when Faulk is hurt), you better be prepared to go
1) Faulk;
2) RB;
3) QB/WR;
4) Dunn
OR
1) Faulk;
2) QB/WR
3) RB;
4) Dunn
I don't see too many owners taking 3 RB with their first 4 picks. Dunn will be off the board before the end of round 4, esp with a 15 team league. Your example is remote.

[ July 12, 2004, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
That's hardly out of the question.
If you get Faulk with your first pick and you have Dunn on your team as a third running back (to fill in when Faulk is hurt), you better be prepared to go
1) Faulk;
2) RB;
3) QB/WR;
4) Dunn
OR
1) Faulk;
2) QB/WR
3) RB;
4) Dunn
I don't see too many owners taking 3 RB with their first 4 picks. Dunn will be off the board before the end of round 4, esp with a 15 team league. Your example is remote. [/QUOTE]Your infatuation with Stephen Jackson is VERY close to stepping over the homosexual/heterosexual line!

Although Tom's example may be a bit remote, these leagues are 14 teams, not 15 (might want to read the rules a little better before you invest so much $$ Gordo!)

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Your infatuation with Stephen Jackson is VERY close to stepping over the homosexual/heterosexual line! Sorry, only women for me. Thanks for your interest. I'll leave the boys for you.

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Although Tom's example may be a bit remote, these leagues are 14 teams, not 15 (might want to read the rules a little better before you invest so much $$ Gordo!) You got me. I was thinking baseball. Keep up the good work!

[Tom Kessenich]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
That's hardly out of the question.
If you get Faulk with your first pick and you have Dunn on your team as a third running back (to fill in when Faulk is hurt), you better be prepared to go
1) Faulk;
2) RB;
3) QB/WR;
4) Dunn
OR
1) Faulk;
2) QB/WR
3) RB;
4) Dunn
I don't see too many owners taking 3 RB with their first 4 picks. Dunn will be off the board before the end of round 4, esp with a 15 team league. Your example is remote. [/QUOTE]Dunn went in the fifth round of the NFFC mock draft you participated in Gordon (60th pick overall). Also chosen in that round were Tatum Bell (59) and Chris Brown (70). DeShaun Foster (71), Garrison Hearst (75) and Correll Buckhalter (84) went in the sixth. Depending on how the season shakes out, any of those RBs could end up being solid fill-ins for Faulk if he missed a short period of time and depending on when he was injured (for example, early in the season maybe Hearst could step in if he's the early-season starter for the Broncos; if he got hurt later perhaps Bell has the starting job in Denver then). If William Green earns a starting job in Cleveland, he could also be a solid fill-in and he was drafted in the 7th round.

Again, if someone drafts Faulk they are going to want to get Jackson as the handcuff. But given the depth at RB this season (which I believe is considerably stronger than in many years), I think a dependable veteran will be available to cover you if/when Faulk gets hurt again so I don't believe you'll be sunk if someone beats you to the Jackson punch.

[ July 13, 2004, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Dunn went in the fifth round of the NFFC mock draft you participated in Gordon (60th pick overall). You don't believe that the mock draft owners would show all of their cards (or even some of them), do you?

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Also chosen in that round were Tatum Bell (59) and Chris Brown (70). DeShaun Foster (71), Garrison Hearst (75) and Correll Buckhalter (84) went in the sixth. For the Faulk owner, S.Jackson is by far the most needed 3rd running back. At this time, none of those guys on the list even come close. But, things can change once position battles have been determined.


Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
I think a dependable veteran will be available to cover you if/when Faulk gets hurt again so I don't believe you'll be sunk if someone beats you to the Jackson punch. We have a difference in opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps I'll keep a tally of all of the owners who draft Faulk and have Jackson; compared to the owners who have Faulk but not Jackson.

If Faulk gets hurt (which we know he will), I say the teams with Jackson will end up scoring more pts from their RB's than the team without Jackson. If Faulk misses most of the season with injury, the difference is even larger.

[ July 13, 2004, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

[Tom Kessenich]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
You don't believe that the mock draft owners would show all of their cards (or even some of them), do you?Fair enough. In our 12-team KP Experts League 2 draft (granted different rules, but this league is a "live" league), Faulk went 12th overall and his owner did not get Jackson (who went in the 8th round -- 93 overall). The Faulk owner got Domanick Davis in the second round (this is a flex league by the way) and later added Dunn in the 7th and Hearst in the 9th. If Faulk goes out short-term, chances are this owner will have at least one and maybe two solid replacements.

For the Faulk owner, S.Jackson is by far the most needed 3rd running back. At this time, none of those guys on the list even come close. But, things can change once position battles have been determined.

Yup. And if Faulk is only out for a few games, it's hardly inconceivable to believe Dunn or Hearst or Buckhalter or any of those other RBs could step up with solid production. Dunn, for example, has very nice potential in the NFFC due to his receiving ability.

We have a difference in opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

Nope.

Perhaps I'll keep a tally of all of the owners who draft Faulk and have Jackson; compared to the owners who have Faulk but not Jackson.

If Faulk gets hurt (which we know he will), I say the teams with Jackson will end up scoring more pts from their RB's than the team without Jackson. If Faulk misses most of the season with injury, the difference is even larger. Again, I agree Jackson would be the preferred option for the Faulk owner and I would not be the least bit surprised if he stepped in and produced at a high level. But my point is that if you get one of those RBs instead of Jackson I don't think you're necessarily sunk. There's an excellent chance you'll get solid production at the RB position.

[ July 13, 2004, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Tom Kessenich ]

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
In our 12-team KP Experts League 2 draft (granted different rules), Faulk went 12th overall and his owner did not get Jackson. The Faulk owner got Domanick Davis in the second round and later added Dunn in the 7th and Hearst in the 9th.
Dunn will never last past the 5th round (I really think the 4th) in a 14 team league. Never!

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
it's hardly inconceivable to believe Dunn or Hearst or Buckhalter or any of those other RBs could step up with solid production.
It's possible, but you have to get the right weeks where Dunn, Hearst, or Buckhalter are getting some major carries/catches. Again, I think it's remote that the owner who get Faulk will get Dunn. Perhaps he gets Hearst or Buckhalter. Certainly not a position I want to be in.

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
my point is that if you get one of those RBs instead of Jackson I don't think you're necessarily sunk. There's an excellent chance you'll get solid production at the RB position. Again, I think your example is remote because not many owners will want to take 3 rb's in the first four rounds. Dunn will be gone by the end of round 4. So, the owners third RB will be Buckhalter or Hearst. Faulk owners beware...

[ July 13, 2004, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

[Tom Kessenich]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Dunn will never last past the 5th round (I really think the 4th) in a 14 team league. Never!It's too bad I won't be in Vegas for the event; It's possible I'd be willing to put a bet on that.

It's possible, but you have to get the right weeks where Dunn, Hearst, or Buckhalter are getting some major carries/catches. Again, I think it's remote that the owner who get Faulk will get Dunn. Perhaps he gets Hearst or Buckhalter. Certainly not a position I want to be in.

I agree you have to catch the right weeks, but if you do the pain will be lessened considerably and maybe forgotten completely depending on the type of performance you receive. Each of the guys I listed is more than capable of putting up some good weeks in the short-term and possibly for an extended period of time.

Again, I think your example is remote because not many owners will want to take 3 rb's in the first four rounds. Dunn will be gone by the end of round 4. So, the owners third RB will be Buckhalter or Hearst. Faulk owners beware... All drafts are unpredictable. At least one owner in every league is going to do something you didn't anticipate. And again, I think there's so much depth at RB this season that the middle grounds will prove to be a good place to find some depth. So if you miss on Jackson, I think you're going to find at least one RB to have on your bench who will be, at the very least, solid should Faulk miss time once again.