June 26th $175 Auction DC

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
I had Randy Moss in a DC last, he had the best year EVER by a receiver, and his score only counted 11/16 weeks on my DC team. Amani Toomer played 7/16 and Anthony Gonzalez played 5/16.

The point is that even the biggest stud receivers are going to have weeks they produce very little and if you don't have great depth you will have weeks where your team may only score around 100 points and that will knock you out of contention in this format.

Defenses are the same way. The points vary so much week to week that quantity is much better than quality.


Wayne Well stated Wayne, and you are quickly becoming the "DC Auction King". Your team definitely has a lot of depth (along with Bob's), but do you have a Moss this year, is the big question????

My strategy going in was much like yours (a bunch of 15-20 guys for depth) and a RB like MJD, McGahee, Bush to be my "anchor".

However, when I jumped the bid on S-Jax from $47 to $55, I surely thought someone would go to $56, but they didn't, and my plan had to change. Honestly, I think S-Jax for $55 is a very nice price, and have no problem with it.

After I bought S-Jax, it became the game of finding bargains, and less about who I will actually target on draft day (on some, but I'm not saying who ). I felt I found enough to make me competitive.

All in all very happy with my team. I feel it has enough studs (S-Jax, Chad, Big Ben) to carry me week to week, and enough depth (especially at WR) to chip in each week. If Heap stays healthy (I know a BIG "if") I think this team can contend. V.Young and Big Ben are both off on the same week, but I got Kolb who could be starting by Week 6 from what I am hearing about "McInjury".

As stated earlier the defenses and kickers went for "buccu dolores" and both on St. Louis D and Folk the bid was $3, and I hit the "+1" and got bumped up to $5 because someone beat me to the $4.

Even thought I spent $21 on my D's and K's, it is no big deal, as I have Gostkowski and Folk, and have 3 D's (two teams only got 1).

[ June 28, 2008, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[RiFF]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
V.Young and Big Ben are both off on the same week, but I got Kolb who could be starting by Week 6 from what I am hearing about "McInjury".

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Let's face it....you blew it. If this babbling about McNabb somehow comforts you from your drafting blunder of taking QB's with the same bye week; then by all means have at it. But when projecting your results for this team, I'd pencil in a zero at the QB position for week 6. Then hope Wayne doesn't beat you out for 2nd place by 5-10 points. Shame, shame.. you are better than this. But it's a relatively cheap lesson; only $175,

Btw, another lesson from this draft...don't be greedy. The Kolb roster spot would be better served with K Collins. That way you'd still have 2 QB's going when Young misses time. And unlike Young, Collins might actually be useful from a FF perspective. All these lessons and it only cost you $175.

[ June 28, 2008, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: RiFF ]

[BillyWaz]

Babbling about McNabb?

In my post I mentioned him for 1/2 a sentence. Sounds like you are "sour grapes", but you had the opportunity to take Kolb, and pardon me for saying.... YOU blew it!

Honestly Riff, don't you think it is a bit of a contradiction to tell me "I blew it", when your QB's are McNabb, Flacco, Troy Smith, and Josh McCown, and you HAD a chance to backup the arguably most injured QB in the NFL?

The intent here Riff was to get another "cheap" QB not on their bye week at the time (Buffalo and KC are same week, and their QB's qualify) so I would have 3 starters. I was talking to Diesel when I drafted Big Ben and knew they were off the same week.

I wanted to save my $$$ for another "weak" starter, but couldn't see throwing $5 - $6 down for a QB especially since those who also needed QB's at the time (Hammer and Wayne) had far more $$$ than me and could outbid me anyways. Plus I wanted to build depth at RB and WR.

So I went to "plan B", and brought up Kolb for $1, I distinctly remember you having $2 at the time, and fully intended you to go $2 (which I certainly wouldn't have gone $3), but you didn't. Not like I brought him up for $2 so you couldn't have a shot at him.

Sounds like you might be regretting that decision, as $2 on Kolb would have been much more valuable to you than me.

As for him playing week 6, you may be right, I may be getting a zero, but I feel if you lined up the odds of every backup playing by that date, Kolb would be near, if not at the top of the list. The real question is, are say a Marc Bulger/D. McNabb caliber QB (for example) and a Vince Young more points than a better QB in Roethlisberger and V. Young with a guaranteed zero in Week 6 over the COURSE OF THE ENTIRE SEASON?

As for me being "greedy", Kerry Collins SUCKS. I think McNabb is a bigger injury risk than V. Young, and feel Kolb will be better than Collins if both see time. Don't talk to me about "lessons" when you draft McNabb (choose to not take his backup), Flacco, Troy Smith, and McCown..... TALKING TO ME ABOUT WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE.....ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

That all being said, I may have to endure the zero in Week 6, but I fully intend to have THREE starters for a portion of the season.

You may not have ONE by Week 6!

[ June 28, 2008, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[RiFF]

We obviously can't measure the results until season's end. But I'll take Smith/Flacco's production over Young's. Maybe not over Young/Collins.
And as I said, if it comforts you to believe you made a predetermined good decision by drafting two QB's with the same bye week.....well it's hard to debate that logic with the person who made that decision. And again, if i were you, I'd rather have Collins on my roster than Kolb. Kolb would have been a nice 5th QB but not 4th.
But I reiterate....a cheap lesson.

[BillyWaz]

Riff,

I am not arguing that taking both QB's on the same bye week and not getting a guaranteed 3rd starter was not a good move.... it wasn't. However, since I needed what I felt was more help in other areas at the time (more depth at RB/WR), I spent my $$ there instead.

Sometimes the draft takes you in different directions, and you adjust the best you can.

Personally I think my team is a top 3 with or without V.Young and Kolb, as I feel the Roethlisberger/Batch combo is good for 20+ points on MOST weeks (obviously not 6 ) and my RB/WR depth is some of the best in the league (more at WR). TE Heap staying healthy will determine a lot for me, but I got two top 5 kickers IMO, and 3 defenses.

I'm thinking Young and Kolb are just "icing on the cake" but still feel I can "be there" if NEITHER played at all (which obviously shouldn't happen).

You keep telling me it was a "$175 lesson". I ask you these 2 questions....

1) Can you honestly say that your intention going in this draft was to get McNabb (not his backup mind you), and what could be the #2 and #3 QB's in Baltimore?????

2) Is it better to "have a decent chance" and possibly fall short, or know your team was "dead money" about 45 minutes into the draft?

[ June 28, 2008, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[Gordon Gekko]

i saw some really poor teams in this format

[RiFF]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Riff,

I am not arguing that taking both QB's on the same bye week was not a good move.... it wasn't. However, since I needed what I felt was more help in other areas at the time (more depth at RB/WR), I spent my $$ there instead.

Sometimes the draft takes you in different directions, and you adjust the best you can.

Personally I think my team is a top 3 with or without V.Young and Kolb, as I feel the Roethlisberger/Batch combo is good for 20+ points on MOST weeks (obviously not 6 ) and my RB/WR depth is some of the best in the league (more at WR). Heap staying healthy will determine a lot for me, but I got two top 5 kickers IMO, and 3 defenses.

I'm thinking Young and Kolb are just "icing on the cake" but still feel I can "be there" if NEITHER played at all (which obviosuly shouldn't happen).

You keep telling me it was a "$175 lesson". I ask you these 2 questions....

1) Can you honestly say that your intention going in this draft was to get McNabb (not his backup mind you), and what could be the #2 and #3 QB's in Baltimore?????

2) Is it better to "have a chance", or know your team was "dead money" about 45 minutes into the draft? First, I'll gladly concede 3rd place to you right now. In this league, saying you have a top 3 team is like saying you have a top 14. After 1st and 2nd; all other teams are 3rd!!

Second, as everyone knows Ben had a tremendous year in 2007. I had him ranked as a top 10 QB and ended up with him on a number of teams because of where he could be drafted. Unfortunately, this year we have to use 2008 stats and NOT 2007's. So, I believe people are making a big mistake assuming Ben will provide an average of 20+ points every week. He won't throw for a lot of yards; I believe last year it was around 3100. What made him so valuable last year were his passing TD's; he had 30+. In his 1st 3 years he had 17 or 18 each year. Personally, I view his 30+ TD's as I do Manning's 49 and Brady's 50. It was an anomaly. I believe he will be closer to 20 this year than 30. They are a run first team and were last year also. They drafted a RB in the first round who they hope will provide them the "power" running they didn't have last year. this could cut further into Ben's TD's.
So, I still like Ben as a QB this year, but probably won't have him on any teams, simply because there are many like you who see another 30 TD's on the horizon. I'll take the under.
Assuming 3200 yds and 24TD's, won't get you to 20 ppg. (Assuming rushing stats offset int's).

Third, I keep hearing everyone (well maybe only you) saying what a great coup it is too get Kolb as a backup QB. He has NOT yet thrown a pass in an NFL game. Don't misunderstand me, if you draft McNabb it's a good idea to get Kolb as a backup. IF Kolb gets an opportunity there is absolutely no guaranteee he will meet with any success. Believe it...McNabb makes the Philly offense, the Philly offense does not make McNabb. I would not be at all surprised IF McNabb misses time, Feeley will see the field as much as Kolb.

Fourth, was I going into the draft targeting Smith/Flacco? Yes I was, simply because I thought I could get a 2nd or hopefully 3rd starting QB for $2. As you say, when you go into an Auction you have to adapt a little bit, "on the fly". Early on when I spent $68. for LT, I immediately decided they would be my 2nd QB's unless I could "scoop" a 2nd cheaply, then they wou;ld be my 3rd.

Fifth "Is it better to "have a decent chance" and possibly fall short, or know your team was "dead money" about 45 minutes into the draft?".....This sound like a "side bet" challenge. Let me know what you propose, because I absolutely believe my team will be in front of yours at season's end. UNLESS, of course you were speaking of your own team when referring to "dead money", then I'll understand if you prefer no side bet..

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by RiFF:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Riff,

I am not arguing that taking both QB's on the same bye week was not a good move.... it wasn't. However, since I needed what I felt was more help in other areas at the time (more depth at RB/WR), I spent my $$ there instead.

Sometimes the draft takes you in different directions, and you adjust the best you can.

Personally I think my team is a top 3 with or without V.Young and Kolb, as I feel the Roethlisberger/Batch combo is good for 20+ points on MOST weeks (obviously not 6 ) and my RB/WR depth is some of the best in the league (more at WR). Heap staying healthy will determine a lot for me, but I got two top 5 kickers IMO, and 3 defenses.

I'm thinking Young and Kolb are just "icing on the cake" but still feel I can "be there" if NEITHER played at all (which obviosuly shouldn't happen).

You keep telling me it was a "$175 lesson". I ask you these 2 questions....

1) Can you honestly say that your intention going in this draft was to get McNabb (not his backup mind you), and what could be the #2 and #3 QB's in Baltimore?????

2) Is it better to "have a chance", or know your team was "dead money" about 45 minutes into the draft? First, I'll gladly concede 3rd place to you right now. In this league, saying you have a top 3 team is like saying you have a top 14. After 1st and 2nd; all other teams are 3rd!! [/QUOTE]After I wrote this, I knew you would come back with this. I actually think I will be "in the money", but I left a margin for error.

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Second, as everyone knows Ben had a tremendous year in 2007. I had him ranked as a top 10 QB and ended up with him on a number of teams because of where he could be drafted. Unfortunately, this year we have to use 2008 stats and NOT 2007's. So, I believe people are making a big mistake assuming Ben will provide an average of 20+ points every week. He won't throw for a lot of yards; I believe last year it was around 3100. What made him so valuable last year were his passing TD's; he had 30+. In his 1st 3 years he had 17 or 18 each year. Personally, I view his 30+ TD's as I do Manning's 49 and Brady's 50. It was an anomaly. I believe he will be closer to 20 this year than 30. They are a run first team and were last year also. They drafted a RB in the first round who they hope will provide them the "power" running they didn't have last year. this could cut further into Ben's TD's.
So, I still like Ben as a QB this year, but probably won't have him on any teams, simply because there are many like you who see another 30 TD's on the horizon. I'll take the under.
Assuming 3200 yds and 24TD's, won't get you to 20 ppg. (Assuming rushing stats offset int's).[/QB][/quote]
Maybe they did run the ball more than most, but you need to do some more research Riff. Bruce Arians is now the offensive coordinator now, three words.... PLAY ACTION PASS!!
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Fifth "Is it better to "have a decent chance" and possibly fall short, or know your team was "dead money" about 45 minutes into the draft?".....This sound like a "side bet" challenge. Let me know what you propose, because I absolutely believe my team will be in front of yours at season's end. UNLESS, of course you were speaking of your own team when referring to "dead money", then I'll understand if you prefer no side bet.. [/QB][/quote]

$175 sounds good, as that way I get a free entry next year. Who finishes higher after Week 16? Do we have a bet??

[ June 28, 2008, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[BillyWaz]

Originally posted by RiFF:
YIKES.....did I ever screw this up. Before you answer to my proposed $175 wager as to who finishes higher (BTW, I would feel comfortable going as high as $300), please read the above post that YOU made IMMEDIATELY after the draft.

Right now you may be in that "denial/anger/puffin my chest out" stage, and because I like you Riff, wanted to give you a chance to think this through before answering.

[ June 28, 2008, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

[RiFF]

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by RiFF:
YIKES.....did I ever screw this up. Before you answer to my proposed $175 wager as to who finishes higher (BTW, I would feel comfortable going as high as $300), please read the above post that YOU made IMMEDIATELY after the draft.

Right now you may be in that "denial/anger/puffin my chest out" stage, and because I like you Riff, wanted to give you a chance to think this through before answering. [/QUOTE]We ABSOLUTELY have a bet. Whoever finishes higher after week 16 owes the other party $175. I wrote what I did because I believed I could have DOMINATED this draft with a couple different moves. First, like you say happened to you; instead of writing in my bid amount I just hit the +$1 button. In the case of Bennett he was at $3. and I hit the $1 button to go to $4 and it went to $6!! So, I was obviously just after the other 2 or right after some one writing in $5. That was when everyone was down to a few dollars and I certainly didn't want to spend mor3e than $4. on Bennet. That $2. cost me a couple players. The same thing happened with Jeff Reed. That extra $3. would have allowed fore a couple better reserves. But, i like my team,l it just could have been better. NO chest puffing here and I have absolutely nothing to be angry over. I was harrassing you a little but firmly believe everything I said. And I like you also, but I'm not averse to taking a couple bucks out of your wallet!!

Oh, btw, the price of the lesson just doubled!!

I'll extend you the same courteous...IF you were huffing and puffing, you can slink away from the bet, if you like.

[ June 28, 2008, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: RiFF ]