NFFC Rules Survey Going Out This Week

[CALI CARTEL]

VERY, VERY good info Cali. The one thing all this data doesn't show is how many times an interception ISN'T the QB's fault. Kinda tough to generically penalize the QB. But, if thats the route we choose to take, I'm ok with it. It's just a stat to consider when ranking players.

JMO

That's fine, then just eliminate the negatives altogether, that was one of my two options.

My whole point is that only a loss of 1 point is completely meaningless -- it changes nothing in terms of rankings or scores in short or long term.

[ForLoveOfTheGame]

I'd much prefer no negatives at all. Like I have said a million times, negatives aren't fun. Wait til you lose a league with a lot of money on the line like I have on a hail mary. Balls bounce off hands, hail marys, bad snaps, etc, just too many things that aren't a players fault and he gets punished for it, now maybe even more? Ugh.

Again, why don't we give negative one for drops if we get a point per catch? How can Houston's D allow 42 points vs GB but get a good D score because they blocked one punt for a TD? Etc, etc. You can't mirror real football to fantasy, it just doesn't work that way. How do I vote for no negatives survey Greg?

[CALI CARTEL]

I never liked the -2 setup, until I played with this -1 format

Please Greg, let us vote on eliminating the INT and FUM lost points, they are meaningless as setup currently anyways.

Why don't defenses lose points for PA? I'm not fighting for that, just I can't remember another league I played in that penalizes INT & FUM for Offensive Players that didn't also include a negative side to the Points Allowed scale for Defensive. Just nix all the negatives.

[BigBlueNation]

VERY, VERY good info Cali. The one thing all this data doesn't show is how many times an interception ISN'T the QB's fault. Kinda tough to generically penalize the QB. But, if thats the route we choose to take, I'm ok with it. It's just a stat to consider when ranking players.

JMO

That's fine, then just eliminate the negatives altogether, that was one of my two options.

My whole point is that only a loss of 1 point is completely meaningless -- it changes nothing in terms of rankings or scores in short or long term.

Totally agree with you, FINALLY. I'd rather have zero negatives, especially rather than increase them.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

I also think you should be able to drop guys that played Thursday IF they were not in your lineup. There are a couple of other places I play that have it like the NFFC in this regard, but the majority do not have that restriction, including the primary competition of the NFFC. I think they should allow for them to be dropped here as well.

I absolutely did not want two waiver periods in the vote last year but I ended up not minding how it worked out. I totally agree with Chad in all players should be bid on at one time, couldn't agree more with that actually. I also agree with whomever suggested that we should be able to cut players from Thusdays game on Friday if we want.

[Glenneration X]

I also think you should be able to drop guys that played Thursday IF they were not in your lineup. There are a couple of other places I play that have it like the NFFC in this regard, but the majority do not have that restriction, including the primary competition of the NFFC. I think they should allow for them to be dropped here as well.

I absolutely did not want two waiver periods in the vote last year but I ended up not minding how it worked out. I totally agree with Chad in all players should be bid on at one time, couldn't agree more with that actually. I also agree with whomever suggested that we should be able to cut players from Thusdays game on Friday if we want.

It was my posted suggestion based on a friendly debate Greg and I had this past week over the "rule". I can state for a fact that he definitely disagrees.

As far as the other propositions....

Regarding FAAB, after much thought I believe the worst option in my mind is the Thursday only. I agree with those who've stated that it will only increase our workload because of the dual evaluation of the entire player pool that we will "all" do whether we think we will now or not. It's inevitable. Keep it as it is now or pick between a Wednesday only or Friday only. You can't have partial evaluations of the player pool, it just won't work at this high level.

Regarding return TD scoring for the individual player, I'm all for it. I don't think this affects anything but the joy of the game. We would all just have to evaluate those players who return kicks a little differently, but that empty feeling of having your player's return TD count for nothing or even worse count only against you will no longer be the case.

Regarding increasing the negatives for interceptions....(shrug).

[Greg Ambrosius]

I also think you should be able to drop guys that played Thursday IF they were not in your lineup. There are a couple of other places I play that have it like the NFFC in this regard, but the majority do not have that restriction, including the primary competition of the NFFC. I think they should allow for them to be dropped here as well.

I absolutely did not want two waiver periods in the vote last year but I ended up not minding how it worked out. I totally agree with Chad in all players should be bid on at one time, couldn't agree more with that actually. I also agree with whomever suggested that we should be able to cut players from Thusdays game on Friday if we want.

Glenn is correct, I am not in favor of this rule. But there are two versions of it:

1) An owner picked up a player in FAAB on Wednesday who played on Thursday. He didn't start him, but he wanted to see how he would do. Then he wanted to cut him on Friday because he didn't start him. We don't allow that. ALL PLAYERS who play on Thursday night are locked, whether they play or not. So this part I don't see changing.

2) As I think Chad is suggesting, an owner makes his FAAB bids on Wednesday, then on Friday he wants to cut a player who played on Thursday who was on his reserve. We don't allow that. Again, ALL PLAYERS are locked on Thursday. Basically it gives those owners 20+ players to evaluate that week if you allow a Friday cut of someone who already played. You need to make decisions on all players before you see them play that week. It's like giving one answer away on a test to some owners but not others. We're all dealing with 20 man rosters for that week, not allowing some to have 20 on Thursday, see how they play and see if they get hurt, and then add 2 more from your team that had 2 play already. If you want to cut those players, cut them before Thursday's game.

That's our position. And while other contests offer you the chance to cut Thursday players on Friday, there's also debates about why that is allowed within those contests. And I've explained why we don't allow it above.

[CALI CARTEL]

I also think you should be able to drop guys that played Thursday IF they were not in your lineup. There are a couple of other places I play that have it like the NFFC in this regard, but the majority do not have that restriction, including the primary competition of the NFFC. I think they should allow for them to be dropped here as well.

I absolutely did not want two waiver periods in the vote last year but I ended up not minding how it worked out. I totally agree with Chad in all players should be bid on at one time, couldn't agree more with that actually. I also agree with whomever suggested that we should be able to cut players from Thusdays game on Friday if we want.

Glenn is correct, I am not in favor of this rule. But there are two versions of it:

1) An owner picked up a player in FAAB on Wednesday who played on Thursday. He didn't start him, but he wanted to see how he would do. Then he wanted to cut him on Friday because he didn't start him. We don't allow that. ALL PLAYERS who play on Thursday night are locked, whether they play or not. So this part I don't see changing.

2) As I think Chad is suggesting, an owner makes his FAAB bids on Wednesday, then on Friday he wants to cut a player who played on Thursday who was on his reserve. We don't allow that. Again, ALL PLAYERS are locked on Thursday. Basically it gives those owners 20+ players to evaluate that week if you allow a Friday cut of someone who already played. You need to make decisions on all players before you see them play that week. It's like giving one answer away on a test to some owners but not others. We're all dealing with 20 man rosters for that week, not allowing some to have 20 on Thursday, see how they play and see if they get hurt, and then add 2 more from your team that had 2 play already. If you want to cut those players, cut them before Thursday's game.

That's our position. And while other contests offer you the chance to cut Thursday players on Friday, there's also debates about why that is allowed within those contests. And I've explained why we don't allow it above.

Greg, I understand #1, but #2 I have an issue. For example, say I had Matt Prater this week on Thursday and wanted to replace him with a new kicker -- you are forcing me to drop him on Wednesday instead of letting me leave him on the bench then drop him on Friday when I have 2 more days of info to use to decide on the new kicker (or another claim).

If you are leaving a Thursday player on the bench that you owned coming into the week, then you should have all the right in the world to drop them on Friday -- not sure why that is taboo to you.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

I also think you should be able to drop guys that played Thursday IF they were not in your lineup. There are a couple of other places I play that have it like the NFFC in this regard, but the majority do not have that restriction, including the primary competition of the NFFC. I think they should allow for them to be dropped here as well.

I absolutely did not want two waiver periods in the vote last year but I ended up not minding how it worked out. I totally agree with Chad in all players should be bid on at one time, couldn't agree more with that actually. I also agree with whomever suggested that we should be able to cut players from Thusdays game on Friday if we want.

Glenn is correct, I am not in favor of this rule. But there are two versions of it:

1) An owner picked up a player in FAAB on Wednesday who played on Thursday. He didn't start him, but he wanted to see how he would do. Then he wanted to cut him on Friday because he didn't start him. We don't allow that. ALL PLAYERS who play on Thursday night are locked, whether they play or not. So this part I don't see changing.

2) As I think Chad is suggesting, an owner makes his FAAB bids on Wednesday, then on Friday he wants to cut a player who played on Thursday who was on his reserve. We don't allow that. Again, ALL PLAYERS are locked on Thursday. Basically it gives those owners 20+ players to evaluate that week if you allow a Friday cut of someone who already played. You need to make decisions on all players before you see them play that week. It's like giving one answer away on a test to some owners but not others. We're all dealing with 20 man rosters for that week, not allowing some to have 20 on Thursday, see how they play and see if they get hurt, and then add 2 more from your team that had 2 play already. If you want to cut those players, cut them before Thursday's game.

That's our position. And while other contests offer you the chance to cut Thursday players on Friday, there's also debates about why that is allowed within those contests. And I've explained why we don't allow it above.

Those are well thought out reasons. While I still don't prefer it, it is good to know you have thought it out and have a reason for it.

[Jack_Bauer]

I'd like to get some feedback on the three rules proposals I mentioned last week and if we have followup questions to ask or other areas of concern, we can do another survey again. If you are a paying member of the NFFC this year, you should receive this survey via email this week. Here are the 3 questions you'll find on the survey along with an equal explanation of the Pros and Cons for the two FAAB offerings:

1. The NFFC currently has two FAAB periods per week: A full FAAB on Wednesday night and a partial FAAB on Friday night. We are presenting two options for 2013, so please pick one:

a) The current setup where we have two FAAB periods: full FAAB late Wednesday night and a second FAAB on Friday night for all remaining free agents
b) A change to Wednesday night FAAB for just the players involved in the Thursday Night Game and then FAAB for all remaining players on Friday night. No players who were cut on Wednesday could go into the Friday free agent pool.

Pros and Cons for selection a):
** You have full access to all of the players at the same time and can do thorough waiver wire work once a week, although you don't have full disclosure on all injuries or starting jobs. The earlier deadline can lead to some bad drops or bad bids. The Friday second FAAB does allow owners to add emergency pickups before the weekend's games and the extra time after Wednesday's FAAB is a welcome luxury.

Pros and Cons for selection b):
** The two extra days for waivers would give owners more time to make waiver wire decisions and provide more timely information, but owners would have to bid on Thursday players before knowing if they can get the rest of the available free agents, making Conditional Bids very difficult. Comprehensive free agent process would need to be done twice a week now instead of just once.

2. Would you like to see individual NFL players receive special teams points for punt and kickoff TD returns, along with rewarding the team Defense/Special Teams that produced the TD 6 points? In essence, a Special Teams would get 6 points AND the individual player would get 6 points for those NFFC owners.

Yes
No

3. The NFFC currently awards 6 points to QBs for each passing TD and -1 point for each Interception. Would you be in favor of increasing points for interceptions from -1 to -2?

Yes
No

greg,

You asked for feedback.

1- I still struggle with which Faab option I prefer. I am going to play in the NFFC regardless of which one is chosen. I see and understand the pros and cons for both sides. So I suppose I am still deciding. If I had to choose now I likely would lean toward the full faab on Weds for all players if only because it makes Weds a legit important NFFC night. Meaning we have "NFL nights" Sunday, Monday, Weds (faab), Thurs (game), Fri (faab). The more NFL days the better...lol

2- I am firmly in the camp of awarding individual players points on return TD's. One of the most irritating parts of fantasy football is when your start WR is returning a kick and his performing well on the play actually hurts you. Plus he is vulnerable to injury. You are rooting hard for a fair catch or him to be tackled without injury. If he returns the kick for a TD his offense loses a possession and you lose out. Billy Waz has referenced the game where his WR (eddie royal) actually beat his fantasy team with two punt returns while getting no offensive receptions. I see no reason why the individual player cannot get 6 pts while the def/st also is awarded 6 points.

3-I see no reason why we need to increase interceptions to -2. I think it is fine the way it is. To me, changing that is just nitpicking. It is all relative. Whether it is -2 or -1 the better/best QB's will score the best. No reason to tinker with that. I fail to see how it improves anything.