I like how the FFPC does it with Record, Points, Record, Points in keeping the "most" teams possible vying for a playoff berth, but it may not be the best way to get all the good teams into the playoffs. When you have 2 teams making the playoffs based on record, there is a good chance that one of those teams have a very low point score but got very lucky in head to head matches during the year.
Greg - My idea for the Prime-Time would be the following:
-13 week regular season
- Final 2 weeks are "All Play"
- Top 3 get into the Playoffs (Top record, Most Points, Next Most Points)
*After 13 Weeks*
League Prizes:
-Top Record - $1400
- Most Points - $1400
-Next Most Points - $500
-Weeks 14-16 will be League Playoffs with all 3 teams taking there weekly scoring average and adding weeks 14 15 and 16 to their point total to determine "League Champion, 2nd Place and 3rd Place.
*After 16 Weeks*
League Prizes:
League Champion (Most Points) - $3000
2nd Place (2nd in Points) - $1000
3rd Place (3rd in Points) - $500
*Overall Playoffs*
All 3 teams that qualified for their respective league playoffs will enter into the "Overall" Playoff race. These teams will take their weekly scoring average and add weeks 14 15 and 16 to their point total to determine the Overall Champion.
1st Place - $100,000 *Need to try to increase this prize*
2nd Place - $20,000
3rd Place - $7,500
4th Place - $5,000
5th Place - $2,500
6th-10th - $1,400
In the consolation round you have the 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams making as much as the teams finishing 5th through 8th in the Overall playoffs. I don't think that is fair for those teams that are a top 10 team. I would eliminate the prizes for 3rd and 4th and just do $2,500 for 1st and free entry for 2nd place. Take the rest of the money and put it into the Overall prize pool. Obviously my Overall prize breakdown is a little more than the one currently, but my League prize pool is less and maybe you take a little more from i or you just have more teams next year, which is the whole point.
Thoughts?
[ November 26, 2011, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: The Franchise ]
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Originally posted by The Franchise:
I like how the FFPC does it with Record, Points, Record, Points in keeping the "most" teams possible vying for a playoff berth, but it may not be the best way to get all the good teams into the playoffs. I've also come to like the FFPC's seeding most of all football setups:
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
Top two in either and you make the playoffs. The NFFC setup almost makes H2H irrelevant. Sure, we play those games, but they don't mean much. H2H has mass appeal, and anyone that plays under the NFFC structure will quickly realize that H2H is a very small component.
For the playoffs, I think a 3-week matchup among all playoff teams is more fun for all than a simple 2-week H2H matchup because it keeps all playoff teams involved for the entire season. Everyone loves the overall championship run which has this exact setup, why is it good enough for the overall title but not for the league title?
I like how the FFPC does it with Record, Points, Record, Points in keeping the "most" teams possible vying for a playoff berth, but it may not be the best way to get all the good teams into the playoffs. I've also come to like the FFPC's seeding most of all football setups:
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
Top two in either and you make the playoffs. The NFFC setup almost makes H2H irrelevant. Sure, we play those games, but they don't mean much. H2H has mass appeal, and anyone that plays under the NFFC structure will quickly realize that H2H is a very small component.
For the playoffs, I think a 3-week matchup among all playoff teams is more fun for all than a simple 2-week H2H matchup because it keeps all playoff teams involved for the entire season. Everyone loves the overall championship run which has this exact setup, why is it good enough for the overall title but not for the league title?
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BTW,
The biggest piece to my recommendation is the 3 Playoff teams instead of 2. Having one more team make the Playoffs based on points keeps more teams alive and active. Plus it rewards that 3rd team who might have missed the Playoffs even though he/she had more points than the 1st place team but a few less than the 2nd place team.
The biggest piece to my recommendation is the 3 Playoff teams instead of 2. Having one more team make the Playoffs based on points keeps more teams alive and active. Plus it rewards that 3rd team who might have missed the Playoffs even though he/she had more points than the 1st place team but a few less than the 2nd place team.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by The Franchise:
I like how the FFPC does it with Record, Points, Record, Points in keeping the "most" teams possible vying for a playoff berth, but it may not be the best way to get all the good teams into the playoffs. I've also come to like the FFPC's seeding most of all football setups:
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
Top two in either and you make the playoffs. The NFFC setup almost makes H2H irrelevant. Sure, we play those games, but they don't mean much. H2H has mass appeal, and anyone that plays under the NFFC structure will quickly realize that H2H is a very small component.
For the playoffs, I think a 3-week matchup among all playoff teams is more fun for all than a simple 2-week H2H matchup because it keeps all playoff teams involved for the entire season. Everyone loves the overall championship run which has this exact setup, why is it good enough for the overall title but not for the league title? [/QUOTE]Very interesting. Since you're in the NFFC Super League, you know that we pay off most points and best h2h after Week 13 and advance four of 12 teams to the Championship Round, where total points determine the Top 3 payouts. So those private leagues are run like you are proposing, except we take best h2h record and top three total points. I'm surprised you would rather have second best h2h than third most total points in the playoffs. I'm not sure the majority agrees on that point.
I don't have time now to look up where the second best h2h record is after Week 13 in league total points, but I'll do that in the next two days and post here. Let's see if those teams would be Top 4 in points or not. The data will tell the story there.
quote:Originally posted by The Franchise:
I like how the FFPC does it with Record, Points, Record, Points in keeping the "most" teams possible vying for a playoff berth, but it may not be the best way to get all the good teams into the playoffs. I've also come to like the FFPC's seeding most of all football setups:
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
Top two in either and you make the playoffs. The NFFC setup almost makes H2H irrelevant. Sure, we play those games, but they don't mean much. H2H has mass appeal, and anyone that plays under the NFFC structure will quickly realize that H2H is a very small component.
For the playoffs, I think a 3-week matchup among all playoff teams is more fun for all than a simple 2-week H2H matchup because it keeps all playoff teams involved for the entire season. Everyone loves the overall championship run which has this exact setup, why is it good enough for the overall title but not for the league title? [/QUOTE]Very interesting. Since you're in the NFFC Super League, you know that we pay off most points and best h2h after Week 13 and advance four of 12 teams to the Championship Round, where total points determine the Top 3 payouts. So those private leagues are run like you are proposing, except we take best h2h record and top three total points. I'm surprised you would rather have second best h2h than third most total points in the playoffs. I'm not sure the majority agrees on that point.
I don't have time now to look up where the second best h2h record is after Week 13 in league total points, but I'll do that in the next two days and post here. Let's see if those teams would be Top 4 in points or not. The data will tell the story there.
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Okay, I had to do it. I had to see what this playoff scenario would look like in the NFFC Primetime after Week 11. KJ suggested this would be best:
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
If we did that now instead of 1 best record and 2-4 points, here's how it would look:
** 14 teams with 2nd best record would have the third most points in their league, getting the seed they would have gotten if the criteria were points
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the fourth most points, changing the seeds of the last two teams, but keeping the same four teams in the playoffs
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the fifth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 6 teams with 2nd best record would have the sixth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the eighth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 1 team with 2nd best record would have the ninth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
So 13 of 30 leagues would have different playoff teams based on 2nd best h2h record earning the third seed rather than points earning that seed. And 16 of 30 leagues would have playoff matchups changed because of 2nd best h2h record earning that seed. Those numbers are actually higher than I expected.
Thoughts?
1 best record
2 points
3. best record
4 points
If we did that now instead of 1 best record and 2-4 points, here's how it would look:
** 14 teams with 2nd best record would have the third most points in their league, getting the seed they would have gotten if the criteria were points
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the fourth most points, changing the seeds of the last two teams, but keeping the same four teams in the playoffs
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the fifth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 6 teams with 2nd best record would have the sixth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 3 teams with 2nd best record would have the eighth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
** 1 team with 2nd best record would have the ninth most points, knocking out the team with the third most points in the league
So 13 of 30 leagues would have different playoff teams based on 2nd best h2h record earning the third seed rather than points earning that seed. And 16 of 30 leagues would have playoff matchups changed because of 2nd best h2h record earning that seed. Those numbers are actually higher than I expected.
Thoughts?
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Greg, I know many of the hardcore players always argue for points above all. But the footballguys, FFPC and WCFF all have/had a larger H2H component and they've attracted big numbers to their contests. It's simple, familiar, and obviously appeals to a lot of players.
Under the current NFFC main event seeding (1 record, 2 pts, 3 pts), I wonder how many teams make it based on record? I would think its a low number such that you could eliminate H2H and it wouldn't change much.
As for having a 4-team playoff in a 12-team league, in addition to the FFPC we have that here in the Diamond lge. Its keeping a lot of teams in the race and active right down to the end, which is good. That setup is 1 pts, 2 record, 3 pts, 4 pts. However, everyone still alive in the Diamond race is so because of points, again showing that H2H doesn't change much if anything.
I just think that if we're going to have H2H it should matter.
[ November 26, 2011, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Under the current NFFC main event seeding (1 record, 2 pts, 3 pts), I wonder how many teams make it based on record? I would think its a low number such that you could eliminate H2H and it wouldn't change much.
As for having a 4-team playoff in a 12-team league, in addition to the FFPC we have that here in the Diamond lge. Its keeping a lot of teams in the race and active right down to the end, which is good. That setup is 1 pts, 2 record, 3 pts, 4 pts. However, everyone still alive in the Diamond race is so because of points, again showing that H2H doesn't change much if anything.
I just think that if we're going to have H2H it should matter.
[ November 26, 2011, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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I have to agree with KJ here. While I do believe that points is the most fair way, I'm not sure that having a more significant H2H component won't make it more fun. I think you need to do something like this in order to grow the contest.
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I hate H2H. You'll never convince me any format with such randomness is better. If I score more points my team is better!
Say what you want about consistent weekly scoring and H2H mattering but at the end of the day everyone is drafting players based on total projected points not anything else.
With that said why would we alter the way we determine the best teams by skewing it with random H2H?
Makes no sense. If it's just to make it more fun then why do we play for $$$$$ ?
Say what you want about consistent weekly scoring and H2H mattering but at the end of the day everyone is drafting players based on total projected points not anything else.
With that said why would we alter the way we determine the best teams by skewing it with random H2H?
Makes no sense. If it's just to make it more fun then why do we play for $$$$$ ?
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BTW...we already have this format in satellite leagues. The $125 league I am in currently will field either the 7th or 11th highest point total team in the playoffs.
Are you kidding me? I don't want to play in any more formats where the 11th highest scoring team can make the playoffs and knock out better teams because they were LUCKY enough to have 400 less points scored against them.
Seriously...I'm not making this stuff up. This is really gonna happen in a real league. Is this what you guys truly want to deal with!
Count me out man.
Are you kidding me? I don't want to play in any more formats where the 11th highest scoring team can make the playoffs and knock out better teams because they were LUCKY enough to have 400 less points scored against them.
Seriously...I'm not making this stuff up. This is really gonna happen in a real league. Is this what you guys truly want to deal with!
Count me out man.
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The 11 week sprint just plain sucks,and i like the NFFC fromat way way better.
Death tovthe sprint,and reward the the teams who are best over the longhaul.I like the 14 thru 16 playoff,and would vote to totally disband playoffs starting after week 11,too early.I minght not even participate in leagues thar start their playoffs after weeek 11 next season,but thats jusgt me.
Death tovthe sprint,and reward the the teams who are best over the longhaul.I like the 14 thru 16 playoff,and would vote to totally disband playoffs starting after week 11,too early.I minght not even participate in leagues thar start their playoffs after weeek 11 next season,but thats jusgt me.