Adrian Peterson Will NOT Be Available In FAAB

[kjduke]

KJ - You are missing the entire point of why they have this rule - "Collusion" - Team A contacts Team B - Team A has AP - He knows Team B has a great team, He knows AP is coming back, he knows Team B has more $$ than anyone else in the league - He tells Team B "I'll drop AP, you pick him up, If you win the league we split proceeds....."

If you think the above is unlikely, then as a game operator you don't know your client base....

I'm not smart enough to know what "Sunk Cost" is.... Sorry about that - No clue what you mean - AP is a first round draft pick - and if he's dropped, he should be excluded from the pool - Period

Will

I'm not missing the point of the rule, I'm arguing the application of it.

AP is NOT a first round pick at this point. He WAS a first round pick. The fact that he was a first round pick this season is no more meaningful than Ray Rice being a first round pick 2 years ago. All that should be considered is what is he worth today.

If I was that worried about collusion as an operator and the current value of Peterson was the line in the sand I'd be pulling multiple players out of the pool every single week, because more valuable players are being dropped each week in many leagues.

SUNK COST - if you paid $400 per share for AOL back in 2001 that shouldn't have any bearing on whether you sell the stock today at $40 ... if it's over-valued at $40, you should sell no matter if you paid $400 or $4, because your purchase price is a "sunk cost". The intrinsic value of something has no relationship to your purchase price, and thus purchase price should not guide your decision-making ... probably the single most common mistake investors make.

[wiljiro]

KJ - You are missing the entire point of why they have this rule - "Collusion" - Team A contacts Team B - Team A has AP - He knows Team B has a great team, He knows AP is coming back, he knows Team B has more $$ than anyone else in the league - He tells Team B "I'll drop AP, you pick him up, If you win the league we split proceeds....."

If you think the above is unlikely, then as a game operator you don't know your client base....

I'm not smart enough to know what "Sunk Cost" is.... Sorry about that - No clue what you mean - AP is a first round draft pick - and if he's dropped, he should be excluded from the pool - Period

Will

I'm not missing the point of the rule, I'm arguing the application of it.

AP is NOT a first round pick at this point. He WAS a first round pick. The fact that he was a first round pick this season is no more meaningful than Ray Rice being a first round pick 2 years ago. All that should be considered is what is he worth today.

If I was that worried about collusion as an operator and the current value of Peterson was the line in the sand I'd be pulling multiple players out of the pool every single week, because more valuable players are being dropped each week in many leagues.

SUNK COST - if you paid $400 per share for AOL back in 2001 that shouldn't have any bearing on whether you sell the stock today at $40 ... if it's over-valued at $40, you should sell no matter if you paid $400 or $4, because your purchase price is a "sunk cost". The intrinsic value of something has no relationship to your purchase price, and thus purchase price should not guide your decision-making ... probably the single most common mistake investors make.

So when SHOULD this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

[kjduke]

this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

Great question. If dropped accidentally, he is typically reinstated to his original team so that doesn't apply here.

When it should apply:
(1) When collusion is suspected.
(2) When the player in question clearly has more value than any alternative drop by that owner.

There is a strong possibility, even the probability, that Peterson does not play again this year so he would not come close to qualifying for removal in my view. The fact that he might have value isn't a reason to remove him because many players who get dropped into the pool might have value ... and no one else is being removed.

I see Bryce Brown was dropped in a lot of leagues this week. If Freddy and Spiller both get hurt, which is probably more likely than Peterson returning to the Vikings this year, I think he would be every bit as valuable as Peterson for the remainder of this season. So why no uproar over him? And that is why the argument of "well it wouldn't be fair if someone picks up AP and then comes back and beats me in the league" is pure silliness. You'd be upset over that but not if it's Bryce Brown or Donald Brown ... why, because of sunk cost? Market value is not static, if you're worried about collusion you need to look at the current value of something, not the historical value of it.

[got heeem]

Six pages for something that Greg & Stats have already ruled on .Drop it ,move along .

[Fourslot40]

this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

Great question. If dropped accidentally, he is typically reinstated to his original team so that doesn't apply here.

When it should apply:
(1) When collusion is suspected.
(2) When the player in question clearly has more value than any alternative drop by that owner.

There is a strong possibility, even the probability, that Peterson does not play again this year so he would not come close to qualifying for removal in my view. The fact that he might have value isn't a reason to remove him because many players who get dropped into the pool might have value ... and no one else is being removed.

I see Bryce Brown was dropped in a lot of leagues this week. If Freddy and Spiller both get hurt, which is probably more likely than Peterson returning to the Vikings this year, I think he would be every bit as valuable as Peterson for the remainder of this season. So why no uproar over him? And that is why the argument of "well it wouldn't be fair if someone picks up AP and then comes back and beats me in the league" is pure silliness. You'd be upset over that but not if it's Bryce Brown or Donald Brown ... why, because of sunk cost? Market value is not static, if you're worried about collusion you need to look at the current value of something, not the historical value of it.

KJ, you have some of the greatest ideas and are a flat out bright mind when it comes to fantasy. I have to disagree here. Peterson wouldn't be available otherwise. No one expects at draft day for him to ever be available after the draft. Comparing him to Bryce Brown is really stretching. I get it with the circumstances you are trying to point out. Again, there is no impact by the NFFC making this move. He is either on the team he was drafted on or never available. Just my opinion, but I have to agree with the decision of the NFFC on this one.

[kjduke]

Six pages for something that Greg & Stats have already ruled on .Drop it ,move along .

I care less about AP at this point than what happens next time the situation comes up. That's why I'd rather point out what's wrong with it ... the longer he's out and the more he gets dropped, the worse it looks. I agree with Greg's decisions 98% of the time, this isn't one of them.

And that's what the boards are here for, if everyone agreed on everything nothing would need to be discussed.

[kjduke]

this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

Great question. If dropped accidentally, he is typically reinstated to his original team so that doesn't apply here.

When it should apply:
(1) When collusion is suspected.
(2) When the player in question clearly has more value than any alternative drop by that owner.

There is a strong possibility, even the probability, that Peterson does not play again this year so he would not come close to qualifying for removal in my view. The fact that he might have value isn't a reason to remove him because many players who get dropped into the pool might have value ... and no one else is being removed.

I see Bryce Brown was dropped in a lot of leagues this week. If Freddy and Spiller both get hurt, which is probably more likely than Peterson returning to the Vikings this year, I think he would be every bit as valuable as Peterson for the remainder of this season. So why no uproar over him? And that is why the argument of "well it wouldn't be fair if someone picks up AP and then comes back and beats me in the league" is pure silliness. You'd be upset over that but not if it's Bryce Brown or Donald Brown ... why, because of sunk cost? Market value is not static, if you're worried about collusion you need to look at the current value of something, not the historical value of it.

KJ, you have some of the greatest ideas and are a flat out bright mind when it comes to fantasy. I have to disagree here. Peterson wouldn't be available otherwise. No one expects at draft day for him to ever be available after the draft. Comparing him to Bryce Brown is really stretching. I get it with the circumstances you are trying to point out. Again, there is no impact by the NFFC making this move. He is either on the team he was drafted on or never available. Just my opinion, but I have to agree with the decision of the NFFC on this one.

Thanks, I guess.

But you help make my point. AP is a "name" that no one expects to be available which is why he was pulled. But names don't score points, players that are on the field score points.

I'm willing be bet that Bryce Brown outscores AP from here on out, any interest?

[wiljiro]

this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

Great question. If dropped accidentally, he is typically reinstated to his original team so that doesn't apply here.

Ummmmm.... Not in this league - I can name you three times off the top of my head where a player was accidentally dropped - (Something about the wheel in Free Agency) - and that player was NOT reinstated to his team -

W

[JETS SB]

this rule be used? Only when someone accidentally screws up and drops a guy during a FA period?

W

Great question. If dropped accidentally, he is typically reinstated to his original team so that doesn't apply here.

Ummmmm.... Not in this league - I can name you three times off the top of my head where a player was accidentally dropped - (Something about the wheel in Free Agency) - and that player was NOT reinstated to his team -

W

And I have seen several times where a guy was accidentally dropped and he was reinstated. It depends on timing. If you drop him on Wednesday and don't say anything until Saturday, then you aren't getting him back. But if you drop him and let Greg know right away, I do believe he would be reinstated.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Six pages for something that Greg & Stats have already ruled on .Drop it ,move along .

I care less about AP at this point than what happens next time the situation comes up. That's why I'd rather point out what's wrong with it ... the longer he's out and the more he gets dropped, the worse it looks. I agree with Greg's decisions 98% of the time, this isn't one of them.

And that's what the boards are here for, if everyone agreed on everything nothing would need to be discussed.

There's no way to please everyone when the third overall pick is suspended in Week 2. No matter what the game operator does at that point, there's room for dispute and second-guessing. All game operators had to make this decision this year and not everyone agreed on how they handled it as either way there were dissenters on both sides when the decisions were made.

I can't disagree with KJ disagreeing with us because that's his opinion. But I believe you're wrong KJ when you say that AP is just another guy or we all know he's done for the year. He's not just another guy. He's not hurt. He's not officially out for the season. If the Vikings reinstated him tomorrow with Bridgewater now at QB, EVERYONE would want him on their teams. He's still an All-Pro caliber back who has been put on some make believe list that nobody had ever heard of before. There are more uncertainties in this case than any we've ever seen before in the NFFC's history.

For that reason, we are allowing Peterson owners to do whatever they want with him, but if they cut him we don't want anyone else picking him up with the uncertainty of his situation. Trust me, I'd do this decision again 100 percent of the time. I don't want our contests decided by Peterson being reinstated in Week 10 or Week 12. If he comes back, good for him and good for football. I don't want him deciding our champions via free agency. Every league can compete with him drafted and not in free agency and be just fine.

If this happens again, I'll rule the same way to protect the integrity of our overall prizes. No question about it. And as you know, I've never taken a single player out of the player pool in the NFFC's 10-year history before this and did it only one other time in baseball, so you know we aren't overly hands on in this area. You can stay Libertarian in the NFFC and still live happily!! But for Week 2 with the third overall pick, no problem with our decision. We can keep debating it -- and trust me, I have one owner who has emailed me daily since this has happened -- but it's not going to change anything. We stick with our decision and will do it again if this happens again, which knowing the thugs in the NFL, may just happen. Hopefully that makes our position clear. Thanks all and good luck this weekend.