How Are You Dealing With KDS & 3RR In 2015?

[Greg Ambrosius]

The previous KDS worked perfectly, but this last Online Championship League was a lot rougher for some owners as most people wanted to draft in the back end. That made it rough for those owners who were randomly selected last. Here's a look at everyone's KDS from that league and the facts:

9 8 7 12 11 10 6 5 4 3 2 1
9 8 7 6 5 12 11 10 4 3 2 1
10 9 11 12 8 7 6 5 4 1 2 3
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 1 2 3 4 5
6 5 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 10 11 12
9 8 7 6 12 11 10 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 1 2 3 4 5 6
5 6 4 3 8 7 1 2 9 10 11 12
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 2 3 4 1
12 11 10 1 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received was 4.33, among the worst so far this year.
* FIVE owners got their No. 1 preference, while one owner got a No. 2 preference and another owner got a No. 3 preference. But after that it got rough as owners got their 5th, 6th, 9th, 10th and even 12th preference.
* There were six different No. 1 preferences by owners: 1,5,6,9,10,12. Five owners listed No. 1 last.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Last night's Online Championship was very interesting as most owners wanted to move down in the draft order. Check out the KDS preferences by the 12 owners and see the Fast Facts as well:

7 8 3 9 6 1 4 10 2 11 12 5
6 7 8 5 4 9 1 2 3 12 11 10
10 9 11 12 8 7 6 5 4 3 1 2
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 12 11 5 6 7 8 9 10
9 8 10 11 7 6 12 5 4 3 2 1
7 8 9 10 11 12 6 5 4 3 2 1
10 9 11 8 12 5 4 7 6 3 2 1
9 10 11 12 4 8 7 6 5 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
8 7 9 6 10 11 12 5 4 3 1 2
8 11 12 9 10 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received was 3.75, which means on average everyone got their fourth preference.
* SIX Owners got their top preference and two owners got their second preference. After that owners got their 6th preference, 8th, 10th and 11th.
* There were seven different No. 1 preferences listed by owners: 1,6,7,8,9,10,12. Seven owners listed No. 1 as their last preference.

[Greg Ambrosius]

The KDS settings are really getting interesting right now and this latest Online Championship League is a perfect example of that. NOBODY had a top preference above 6, which made it tough for everyone to get a top preference. Check out the listings from the 12 owners below and the facts:

12 11 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
6 8 3 11 9 12 7 4 2 5 10 1
8 9 7 10 11 12 6 5 4 3 2 1
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5
8 9 7 6 10 11 12 5 4 3 1 2
12 11 10 9 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 7 9 6 10 11 12 5 4 2 3 1
9 10 11 12 8 7 6 5 4 1 2 3
10 9 8 11 12 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
12 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 4 3 2 1

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received was 4.67, which means on average each owner got around his 5th preference.
* Four owners got their top preference and two owners got their second preference. Other preferences received were: 3,6,8,9,10,12. Yup, one owner got his last preference as he was randomly picked last.
* No top preferences were 1 through 5 and only five different top preferences were listed: 6,8,9,10,12. All of these owners had similar draft strategies in mind under 3RR.

[Greg Ambrosius]

We're starting to see a trend in the NFFC where several owners are getting spots they want, but a handful of owners are not getting spots close to what they wanted. The reason for that is a trend that we're seeing where more and more owners don't want a top three pick. Here's the KDS preferences by each of the 12 owners in this most recent Online Championship League and the facts from this league:

9 8 12 11 10 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 9 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
9 8 10 7 6 11 12 1 2 3 4 5
12 11 3 4 10 1 2 9 5 6 7 8
9 8 7 6 5 10 11 12 4 3 2 1
12 6 7 5 8 9 11 10 1 2 3 4
9 8 10 11 12 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
5 4 6 7 8 9 10 12 3 1 2 11
9 10 8 7 6 11 12 5 4 3 2 1
8 7 6 9 10 5 4 11 12 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
9 10 11 12 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received was 4.66, one of the lower listings so far.
* However, eight owners got a Top 3 preference: 3 owners got their 1st preference, 3 owners got their 2nd preference and two owners got their 3rd preference. But after that owners got their 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th preferences.
* There were only four different top preferences listed in this league: 5,8,9,12. Eight owners picked No. 1 last among their preferences, nine owners listed No. 2 as their second last preference and nine owners listed No. 3 as their third least preference. The trend is obvious.

[Greg Ambrosius]

The KDS preferences are getting more interesting by the day, which makes for some very interesting drafts. This latest Online Championship League played out pretty well, but again it was very interesting. See below:

KDS Preferences By All 12 Owners In Rotowire Online Championship League:
8 7 6 9 10 5 12 11 4 3 2 1
10 12 11 9 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1
8 7 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 6 9 10 12 11 5 4 3 2 1
1 12 11 7 6 5 8 9 4 2 3 10
8 7 10 9 11 6 12 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 4 5 6 7 10 9 8 2 3 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6
8 7 6 10 4 5 1 2 3 9 11 12
10 11 12 9 8 7 6 5 4 1 2 3
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received in this league was 3.25, which means on average everyone got their 3rd preference.
* Three owners got their No. 1 preference, 3 owners got their No. 2 preference and four owners got their No. 3 preference. 10 of 12 owners got a Top 3 preference. Other preferences received were 8th and 10th.
* Two owners had No. 1 as their top preference, but no other owner had a top preference above 7. Only five spots were listed as first preferences: 1,7,8,10,12. No. 1 was the last preference for six owners.

[Coltsfan]

These stats are very interesting. One thing I'm noticing is that when you have a league that does NOT contain somebody leaving the kds at 1-12 then the average pick that someone gets drops on average by a full round. If you have one or more setting at 1-12 then more people get what the want. I might argue that those sitting at 1-12 probably didn't want that - they either didn't understand the rules or forgot to set the kds. (There might be some who do want this but I think it's more likely they simply forgot.)

This is going to be a much tougher year for people to get the draft slots they want with so many people wanting to be on the back end. The 3RR really balances out a draft when you have a single dominant player. But when you have 10-15 similar players it really doesn't do much to enhance the drafting. That's easy to say in retrospect so it seems like some years it really works as intended, other years it sends a very distinct advantage to the other end of the draft such as this year. And this is not a statement of condemning or condoning 3RR, just stating an observation.


Wayne

[chriseibl]

These stats are very interesting. One thing I'm noticing is that when you have a league that does NOT contain somebody leaving the kds at 1-12 then the average pick that someone gets drops on average by a full round. If you have one or more setting at 1-12 then more people get what the want. I might argue that those sitting at 1-12 probably didn't want that - they either didn't understand the rules or forgot to set the kds. (There might be some who do want this but I think it's more likely they simply forgot.)

This is going to be a much tougher year for people to get the draft slots they want with so many people wanting to be on the back end. The 3RR really balances out a draft when you have a single dominant player. But when you have 10-15 similar players it really doesn't do much to enhance the drafting. That's easy to say in retrospect so it seems like some years it really works as intended, other years it sends a very distinct advantage to the other end of the draft such as this year. And this is not a statement of condemning or condoning 3RR, just stating an observation.


Wayne

I love 3RR and it definitely helped draw me into the NFFC when I first found high stakes leagues. Every year, there has been a tremendous diversity in who wants what draft spots. Even last year I wanted early spots in a couple drafts to ensure I got Demaryius (yay) or later spots in a couple drafts to get A.J. Green (whoops). This year that top tier of rbs/wrs all seem to have very similar value.

This is the very first year since I've been a part of the NFFC in 2009 where everybody wants to be in the same places. Given it's the first time it's ever played out this way, I suspect it's a fluke and it will go back to working better next year like it did from 2009-2014.

[Tom Kessenich]

If Bell's suspension is reduced to one game I would expect more people will become more interested in the No. 1 pick.

[Greg Ambrosius]

These stats are very interesting. One thing I'm noticing is that when you have a league that does NOT contain somebody leaving the kds at 1-12 then the average pick that someone gets drops on average by a full round. If you have one or more setting at 1-12 then more people get what the want. I might argue that those sitting at 1-12 probably didn't want that - they either didn't understand the rules or forgot to set the kds. (There might be some who do want this but I think it's more likely they simply forgot.)

This is going to be a much tougher year for people to get the draft slots they want with so many people wanting to be on the back end. The 3RR really balances out a draft when you have a single dominant player. But when you have 10-15 similar players it really doesn't do much to enhance the drafting. That's easy to say in retrospect so it seems like some years it really works as intended, other years it sends a very distinct advantage to the other end of the draft such as this year. And this is not a statement of condemning or condoning 3RR, just stating an observation.


Wayne

Thanks for the observation Wayne. Fair enough.

Let me ask this: If 1 is the lowest preference for owners in 3RR, let's assume that 12 is the lowest in a straight serpentine draft. So which would you rather have: 3RR's 1, 24, 36 and 37 picks, or Serpentine's 12, 13, 36 and 37?

The real downside of both options are the players at 36 and 37. There's a huge dropoff in talent there than at the beginning of the third round. And at the very least in 3RR, that owner is getting the best player in the draft to start his team. In Serpentine, he's getting two of the top 13. So which option is better in your mind? And I'll ask everyone that.

One trend I'm seeing is that even though many owners don't want 1 to 5, those who are getting those spots are jumping WRs more now than in earlier drafts. You are seeing 4 of the first 5 picks or 5 of the first 6 picks going with WRs, dropping the top RBs to the second half of the draft. Those owners are saying that they are willing to jump the WRs because that's who they wanted later on in the first. It's changing the whole dynamic of the first round.

No setup works perfectly, but we think 3RR/KDS still allows more owners to get a top 3 preference than any other setup. Every year there are spots that people want to avoid and this year is no different.

And remember, as much as we concentrate on the first round, who carried fantasy teams to titles last year? Mainly it was Le'Veon Bell, who went in the third or fourth rounds last year, and Odell Beckham Jr., who was a late draft pick and even a FAAB pickup. Your draft spot is just one aspect of winning a title, as we all know. Good luck all.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Last night's Rotowire Online Championship League included 12 veteran owners with the results being announced last night on SiriusXM Fantasy Sports Radio. There was a wide range of opinions on where owners wanted to draft and all 12 set their KDS preferences (yes, even the owner who got #1). Here's a look at each KDS listing and the numbers:

Rotowire Online Championship KDS Preferences by each owner:
7 8 9 10 6 11 12 5 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
5 4 6 3 7 8 9 10 11 12 2 1
12 1 11 2 10 3 9 8 4 5 6 7
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
5 7 8 9 10 11 6 1 2 4 3 12
9 10 11 7 6 12 4 5 8 3 2 1
7 8 9 10 11 12 3 2 1 6 4 5
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
6 7 8 9 10 11 5 4 12 3 2 1
9 10 11 12 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Fast Facts:
* The average KDS preference received was 3.5, which means that on average each owner got their 3rd or 4th preference.
* SIX owners got their No. 1 preference and two owners got their second preference. Other preferences received included 3, 9, 9 and 10.
* The six different top preferences listed (and received) were 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12. EIGHT owners had No. 1 last.