Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. Fill in the ??...
% of teams make the playoffs
NFL 37%
MLB ??%
NBA ??%
NFFC 14% [/QUOTE]NFL 37%
MLB 27%
NBA ...
NFFC 14%
I don't watch NBA anymore, so I couldnt tell you on that, but I'd bet its in the same range as other pro sports.
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Let everyone compete for the $100K.... just so the lesser horses are carrying the heavier jockeys.
I'm not seriously advocating this, of course, but
a more systemized handicapping (reward/penalty carrying over from reg season) could be adopted.
HMan83
I'm not seriously advocating this, of course, but
a more systemized handicapping (reward/penalty carrying over from reg season) could be adopted.
HMan83
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ultimatefs
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams.
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams.
Jules is a Dirt bag and makes my luck.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
Gekko,
You sure are not shy about knocking/belittleing those who may prefer a format different to what you like... Guppies? lol
So if I read correctly... you are saying you would like the NFFC main event to move toward an all play format and eliminate H2H right? I completely respect this opinion and just wanted to clarify if this is what you ideally would like to see. I'm saying I try to look for improvement where possible. Whether that is doubleheaders, etc... I don't know. It's a worthy discussion. [/QUOTE]Gekko,
Not sure what you mean by pin you in a corner but don't really care. This above post by you is fair. Definately a worthy discussion to have. My point about you calling those who may enjoy H2H or be resistant to changing the event to All Play as "guppies" might not be all that fair. I think Greg even asked you to be careful not to belittle those who may have a differing opinion on the issue. I also have no idea who "big mike" is.
Having said that.. I agree with you that this is a fair conversation to have for sure. I would be very interested in an "all play" satellite. Do you know if this is in the works?
[ November 06, 2008, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
Gekko,
You sure are not shy about knocking/belittleing those who may prefer a format different to what you like... Guppies? lol
So if I read correctly... you are saying you would like the NFFC main event to move toward an all play format and eliminate H2H right? I completely respect this opinion and just wanted to clarify if this is what you ideally would like to see. I'm saying I try to look for improvement where possible. Whether that is doubleheaders, etc... I don't know. It's a worthy discussion. [/QUOTE]Gekko,
Not sure what you mean by pin you in a corner but don't really care. This above post by you is fair. Definately a worthy discussion to have. My point about you calling those who may enjoy H2H or be resistant to changing the event to All Play as "guppies" might not be all that fair. I think Greg even asked you to be careful not to belittle those who may have a differing opinion on the issue. I also have no idea who "big mike" is.
Having said that.. I agree with you that this is a fair conversation to have for sure. I would be very interested in an "all play" satellite. Do you know if this is in the works?
[ November 06, 2008, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Renman ]
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Originally posted by Renman:
Gekko,
Not sure what you mean by pin you in a corner but don't really care. This above post by you is fair. Definately a worthy discussion to have. My point about you calling those who may enjoy H2H or be resistant to changing the event to All Play as "guppies" might not be all that fair. I think Greg even asked you to be careful not to belittle those who may have a differing opinion on the issue.
i'm referring to fantasy football masses as "guppies". u use "masses", i use "guppies". it doesn't have anything to do with H2H or all-play or people agreeing with me.
can you please pester someone else? i (and others) can tell you like to pester. btw, the "masses" i speak with, ALL agree.
Gekko,
Not sure what you mean by pin you in a corner but don't really care. This above post by you is fair. Definately a worthy discussion to have. My point about you calling those who may enjoy H2H or be resistant to changing the event to All Play as "guppies" might not be all that fair. I think Greg even asked you to be careful not to belittle those who may have a differing opinion on the issue.
i'm referring to fantasy football masses as "guppies". u use "masses", i use "guppies". it doesn't have anything to do with H2H or all-play or people agreeing with me.
can you please pester someone else? i (and others) can tell you like to pester. btw, the "masses" i speak with, ALL agree.
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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Gekko,
I am pretty sure "guppies" (in the context you used it) refers to one kind of fantasy player in your mind and "sharks" another. However I do understand and know you do not like to be questioned or at the very least are not comfortable with it and I respect that.
I did play in a league where we played a double header each week. That obviously lessens the luck factor and sways things more toward the stronger more consistent scoring team. Which do you prefer of the following formats. All-play or total points and why?
I am pretty sure "guppies" (in the context you used it) refers to one kind of fantasy player in your mind and "sharks" another. However I do understand and know you do not like to be questioned or at the very least are not comfortable with it and I respect that.
I did play in a league where we played a double header each week. That obviously lessens the luck factor and sways things more toward the stronger more consistent scoring team. Which do you prefer of the following formats. All-play or total points and why?
H2H Exposed Part 1
Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams. [/QUOTE]Point leader thru 13 weeks or 16 weeks John? Sounds like you've had good luck early in the season and you selfishly don't want someone that may be better than you over the whole season to take some of your pie. Good for you perhaps, not good for the league as a whole nor the ability to grow it.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams. [/QUOTE]Point leader thru 13 weeks or 16 weeks John? Sounds like you've had good luck early in the season and you selfishly don't want someone that may be better than you over the whole season to take some of your pie. Good for you perhaps, not good for the league as a whole nor the ability to grow it.
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Points league not only are dull, they are unfair and don't capture the spirit of real games. In the NFL the team that scores the most points in a season do not win the Super Bowl. It is the team that A) plays well enough to win consistently all year, and b) plays well in the post-season.
Some facts from LV4 ...
DH Actual Pts
BWAZZ 15-3 9-0 1230
Mr Bill 14-4 7-2 1085
KOQ 12-6 6-3 1164
Lumpy 12-6 5-4 1149
Zefur 12-6 6-3 1053
Catali 10-8 4-5 1109
Hammer 10-8 5-4 1281
SCOTTI 9-9 5-4 1112
Hard H 7-11 4-5 993
Z Men 7-11 2-7 993
Weber 6-12 3-6 1044
Wonder 6-12 4-5 911
Best A 5-13 2-7 1026
Neon G 1-17 1-8 919
This illustrates more than anything how "total points" is unfair. Hammerheads leads in points, but would be just 10-8 under the DH system. He has scored below average in 4 of the 9 weeks, so as a "real" football team he would be nowhere near leading the league, appropriately. Yet he is a virtual lock for the playoffs.
[ November 06, 2008, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Some facts from LV4 ...
DH Actual Pts
BWAZZ 15-3 9-0 1230
Mr Bill 14-4 7-2 1085
KOQ 12-6 6-3 1164
Lumpy 12-6 5-4 1149
Zefur 12-6 6-3 1053
Catali 10-8 4-5 1109
Hammer 10-8 5-4 1281
SCOTTI 9-9 5-4 1112
Hard H 7-11 4-5 993
Z Men 7-11 2-7 993
Weber 6-12 3-6 1044
Wonder 6-12 4-5 911
Best A 5-13 2-7 1026
Neon G 1-17 1-8 919
This illustrates more than anything how "total points" is unfair. Hammerheads leads in points, but would be just 10-8 under the DH system. He has scored below average in 4 of the 9 weeks, so as a "real" football team he would be nowhere near leading the league, appropriately. Yet he is a virtual lock for the playoffs.
[ November 06, 2008, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by Renman:
Gekko,
I am pretty sure "guppies" (in the context you used it) refers to one kind of fantasy player in your mind and "sharks" another. However I do understand and know you do not like to be questioned or at the very least are not comfortable with it and I respect that.
I did play in a league where we played a double header each week. That obviously lessens the luck factor and sways things more toward the stronger more consistent scoring team. Which do you prefer of the following formats. All-play or total points and why? Renman,
You have a tendency to rub a lot of people the wrong way on these boards. Not as bad as snake, but still a nuisance. Sorta like constantly swatting a fly.
You are free to think whatever you want and question whatever you want. I’m done playing your childish game.
Again (FOR THE SECOND TIME), please honor my request to stop pestering me. Is the request clear enough? If you are at all interested in having a harmonious message board, find a new victim to pester.
TIA!
Gekko,
I am pretty sure "guppies" (in the context you used it) refers to one kind of fantasy player in your mind and "sharks" another. However I do understand and know you do not like to be questioned or at the very least are not comfortable with it and I respect that.
I did play in a league where we played a double header each week. That obviously lessens the luck factor and sways things more toward the stronger more consistent scoring team. Which do you prefer of the following formats. All-play or total points and why? Renman,
You have a tendency to rub a lot of people the wrong way on these boards. Not as bad as snake, but still a nuisance. Sorta like constantly swatting a fly.
You are free to think whatever you want and question whatever you want. I’m done playing your childish game.
Again (FOR THE SECOND TIME), please honor my request to stop pestering me. Is the request clear enough? If you are at all interested in having a harmonious message board, find a new victim to pester.
TIA!
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams. [/QUOTE]Point leader thru 13 weeks or 16 weeks John? Sounds like you've had good luck early in the season and you selfishly don't want someone that may be better than you over the whole season to take some of your pie. Good for you perhaps, not good for the league as a whole nor the ability to grow it. [/QUOTE]13 weeks is more than enough time.
Read my post. if I have a 150 pt lead after week 13, how am I going to lose that in 3 weeks?
Early luck? What a crock that is. I've had one bad week. I've had one great week. I have a 70 pt lead right now because I've done well in all but one week.
Sounds like you say? Sounds more like you need to quit trying to support your theory here by grabbing at straws.
[ November 06, 2008, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: JohnZ ]
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
KJ, we have a playoff. It's for 100K. NE doesn't play in the playoffs to see if they win their division. :rolleyes:
Top h2h and top pts now doesn't play in a playoff if it's the same team, why should adding a 3rd cat result in 3 teams? John, I think I am arguing that it should be a 16-week season for the top teams. The shorter the season, the more random luck comes into play ... the more weeks, the more luck evens out.
Accordingly, allowing the best 3 teams into the playoffs makes it more likely that the best team over the entire season will end up winning. From a customer standpoint, it makes the league more exciting for more players, too, just like adding the wildcard in the NFL kept more teams and fans involved deeper into the season.
In the NFL, 37% of teams make the playoffs - in the NFFC it's only 14%, seems to low. I think allowing 3 teams in is enough, but you could easier argue for more than 3 rather than less following along the NFL model. [/QUOTE]From the standpoint of being the points leader in LV1 now for 2 years, I don't want to see any 3rd team in a playoff and luck into a championship when they have 150 points less than I do. That's about 10 points per week and they don't deserve to be there.
The ONLY "3rd" team that deserves to be there is when that team is a very close 2nd in total points, yet way ahead of some luck job winds up winning h2h. This happened in LV1 last year and Michael Holt got screwed, while the h2h winner finished LAST in the battle for $100k. Let me also add that RT does have a good team and I don't see this happening this year.
In this vain, I would say that ANY team that makes the 10% cut should play for his league championship.
NFFC sats have 4 playoff teams. Play in those if you want playoffs. The MAIN needs to reward ONLY the best teams. [/QUOTE]Point leader thru 13 weeks or 16 weeks John? Sounds like you've had good luck early in the season and you selfishly don't want someone that may be better than you over the whole season to take some of your pie. Good for you perhaps, not good for the league as a whole nor the ability to grow it. [/QUOTE]13 weeks is more than enough time.
Read my post. if I have a 150 pt lead after week 13, how am I going to lose that in 3 weeks?
Early luck? What a crock that is. I've had one bad week. I've had one great week. I have a 70 pt lead right now because I've done well in all but one week.
Sounds like you say? Sounds more like you need to quit trying to support your theory here by grabbing at straws.
[ November 06, 2008, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: JohnZ ]
Jules is a Dirt bag and makes my luck.