My Take On Boston And No-Show Owners

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:09 am

Originally posted by Max Factor:
I was in the Sandman D/C and near the end of the draft Mike suggested to Geoff that he remove the players on IR for future drafts. I do not believe he replied .
While there probably is no perfect solution, and there in no way you will ever be able to cover every contingency, certainly removing IR players completely and taking players who are on the PUP or "out" indefinitely out of the top 300 certainly would have led to less controversy. Exactly Jeff. And like I said earlier, guys like Hardesty were correctly on that printout that the guys used and he was hurt on Thursday night. I don't think anyone would have objected if the guys had NOT given him Hardesty as the next available player, but they were running that draft and choice to stick to the letter of the law. Going forward it's obvious that I need to spell that out better for those in charge of each city.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:13 am

todd , you went off the adp in the 9th and 10th rounds to get a def and kicker but would not give me the time of day to pick a few bottom feeding wr to fill his lineup. your exact words to me was HE DOES HAVE A LEGAL LINEUP. legal my azz.

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:24 am

I of course have heard all of this "second hand", but here is my take.

Whomever's decision it was to take IR players because they were "following a list" needs to be talked to, and really needs to reconsider their career at Fanball. Honestly, this is common sense that if they were using a list they should SKIP the IR guys and take the next player. The ONLY possible IR player that should of been on this player's team is Montario Hardesty as he didn't hit the IR till Friday. Even so, I'm not sure Todd really follows football, if he drafted this team this way. At least try to make the team competitive!!

Next, WHY did this team only end up with 4 WR's????? Why take 4 QB's???? Again, the person drafting this team really had NO CLUE on what they were doing. I think EVERY team in the Classic takes AT LEAST 5 RB's and 5 WR's.....I thought that was pretty much standard?

A similar scenario happened in my Chicago league in 2005. Someone didn't show, and the cheat sheets they handed out before the draft were collected, and the person drafting did the best job they could going off the list. Was it the best team....no. However...at least they didn't end up with 4 QB's and 4 WR's and they didn't knowingly draft players on IR just because they were on a list.

Also,I heard "second hand" that while Frank was trying to convince them NOT to take IR players, Todd (I believe he was the one drafting the team) winked and said "don't worry, it will make all of your teams better!" If this is true, there needs to be some action taken against Todd. And shame on all those in Boston who DID NOT try to do the right thing and were content on "loading their teams".

The funny part is, I think it actually could work against them for the league title. It is now a 13 team league, and the fewer teams in a league, the "luckier" it is to win, IMO.

Now for the overall, there could be 3 very solid teams in the championship round. However, lets not jump to conclusions here. As much as we all think we know what is going to happen, we really don't know until injuries hit, and how players perform.

I just think this was handled VERY poorly (and if Todd did in fact wink, that is utterly WRONG!), but now I think Greg is doing the right thing here, and this team can go bananas on the waiver wire after week one.

Whoever plays him week one......you'll never get an easier win in your life.

I just hope the overall champion doesn't come out of this league, as Greg and Tom don't deserve to be "raked over the coals" due to someone else's lack of common sense! :rolleyes:

[ September 06, 2010, 01:26 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:29 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Just an FYI: I did talk with Erick this morning and he apologizes for not making it. Something came up on Saturday and it just didn't work out. But he understands what happened here and is ready to hit the waiver wire. He's certainly not abandoning this team or giving up on the title. He's ready to admit his mistake and work to make this team a winner. Good luck all. We all understand that stuff comes up, and I am VERY glad to hear that he will be hitting the waiver wire with this team.

At this point, that is definitely the best solution, and again, glad that Erick is going to be active with his team.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:30 am

Originally posted by THE_BLACKHAND:
todd , you went off the adp in the 9th and 10th rounds to get a def and kicker but would not give me the time of day to pick a few bottom feeding wr to fill his lineup. your exact words to me was HE DOES HAVE A LEGAL LINEUP. legal my azz. No, we did not go off the ADP. The instructions were to fill his legal starting lineup first, before picking reserves. That is what we did. He got the highest ranked defense and kicker, then we went back to the top of the list.

And while he may not have a lineup filled with active players, he has a legal lineup with regards to players filling the requisite positions.

I'll let Fanball handle all further commenting, but will address anything via PM.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:33 am

correct. matter of fact johnny was standing next to me when todd and myself was argueing over 5k and 100k. he said it would give you a better shot at 100k and i told him i would be happy winning the league and 5k. he said i wasnt a gambler. ( thats a joke ). now if someone wins the title in this league it is tainted. it makes the year suck already.

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:38 am

Originally posted by Todd Zola:
quote:Originally posted by THE_BLACKHAND:
todd , you went off the adp in the 9th and 10th rounds to get a def and kicker but would not give me the time of day to pick a few bottom feeding wr to fill his lineup. your exact words to me was HE DOES HAVE A LEGAL LINEUP. legal my azz. No, we did not go off the ADP. The instructions were to fill his legal starting lineup first, before picking reserves. That is what we did. He got the highest ranked defense and kicker, then we went back to the top of the list.

And while he may not have a lineup filled with active players, he has a legal lineup with regards to players filling the requisite positions.

I'll let Fanball handle all further commenting, but will address anything via PM. [/QUOTE]legal lineup. rice , vjax and tj housh. some legal lineup. anything that is said lets bring it out so no bs stories come out.

chriseibl · Post by **chriseibl** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:53 am

i agree with everything billy wrote... i'm fairly surprised that common sense wasn't allowed in fairness to the rest of the leagues. is it likely to come into play weeks 14-16? no, but it does tilt the percentages in that league's favor.

that being said, i don't really see a solution to the problem now and i am glad the owner will be hard at work on the waiver wire.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:58 am

I feel a decision's been made and it's honestly time to just move on.

Could this have been handled better? Certainly. However sometimes uncommon & unfortunate things like this have to happen to bring to light potential inequities in rules.

I'm sure like the double fumble touchdown last year, this rule will be further clarified so if a situation like this ever occurs again, an iron clad procedure (built around common sense) will be followed.

Glenn

rehouston · Post by **rehouston** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:00 am

For the record -- let me just say the following:

The list were provided for ALL cities to follow.

Greg / Tom sent the list for printing -- had final approval of the list and that was the list that was sent in all packages for "auto drafting".

I know that Todd / Seth keep taking the brunt of this but they did exactly what the rules state to do.

There were indeed several pleas for us to use common sense, subjectivity when making picks. Todd / Seth followed the proper protocol as instructed.

The reason they decided to do this was consistency. The same protocol needed to be followed at all sites. If Seth and Todd made the determination to go against the ADP (sheet), and the same thing happened elsewhere and they went with the ADP, the problem would be even greater.

So I apologize on behalf of everyone but I think Greg provided the proper direction for how to handle this and I'm quite sure this issue will work itself out.

I simply don't want the blame to be put on Todd / Seth because they did what they were instructed to do and handled themselves very well -- as did all other staff handling cities across the country.

We apologize this caused some frustration.