Originally posted by renman:
gordon...
a win loss record over an entire season is WAY LESS of a crap shoot then a playoff game or playoff series is... and having all prizes going to the "total points" leader makes many teams just quit when they fall too far behind... Renman, how is this different than when they fall too far behind in record? The thing about points is they could at least POSSIBLY be made up quickly. Records cannot be made up quickly. You can't go '4-0' this week with record, so you're just as likely (if not more so) to quit when your team starts off 3-7 than if you get 200 pts. off the lead dog.
No?
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Originally posted by Dyv:
The thing about points is they could at least POSSIBLY be made up quickly. Records cannot be made up quickly. You can't go '4-0' this week with record, so you're just as likely (if not more so) to quit when your team starts off 3-7 than if you get 200 pts. off the lead dog.
No?Yes.
That said, when teams have a chance to make the playoffs based on W/L **and** points, there will be far more teams eligible for the Week 14-16 extravaganza than in a system based solely on points.
Entering the final two weeks, does anyone know the percentage of teams that were still alive for a postseason berth?
As I have stated before, the current system works--so long as the loopholes are filled (Top 10% scorers automatically make the playoffs).
The thing about points is they could at least POSSIBLY be made up quickly. Records cannot be made up quickly. You can't go '4-0' this week with record, so you're just as likely (if not more so) to quit when your team starts off 3-7 than if you get 200 pts. off the lead dog.
No?Yes.
That said, when teams have a chance to make the playoffs based on W/L **and** points, there will be far more teams eligible for the Week 14-16 extravaganza than in a system based solely on points.
Entering the final two weeks, does anyone know the percentage of teams that were still alive for a postseason berth?
As I have stated before, the current system works--so long as the loopholes are filled (Top 10% scorers automatically make the playoffs).
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Originally posted by Dyv:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Gordon, does anyone still want a one-week playoff in Week 12 for the $5,000? no, it should be a three-week playoff (week 14-16) to determine the league champ...at least that's what jason tells me. run the league playoffs concurrently with the main event playoffs. [/QUOTE]I like this idea
Dave [/QUOTE]that's one of the things we are working on at Gekko Industries. imagine the rush you would have for three weeks!!! time to get on blood pressure meds. this will be included in the season ending gekko newsletter.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Gordon, does anyone still want a one-week playoff in Week 12 for the $5,000? no, it should be a three-week playoff (week 14-16) to determine the league champ...at least that's what jason tells me. run the league playoffs concurrently with the main event playoffs. [/QUOTE]I like this idea
Dave [/QUOTE]that's one of the things we are working on at Gekko Industries. imagine the rush you would have for three weeks!!! time to get on blood pressure meds. this will be included in the season ending gekko newsletter.
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
The thing about points is they could at least POSSIBLY be made up quickly. Records cannot be made up quickly. You can't go '4-0' this week with record, so you're just as likely (if not more so) to quit when your team starts off 3-7 than if you get 200 pts. off the lead dog.
No?Yes.
That said, when teams have a chance to make the playoffs based on W/L **and** points, there will be far more teams eligible for the Week 14-16 extravaganza than in a system based solely on points.
Entering the final two weeks, does anyone know the percentage of teams that were still alive for a postseason berth?
As I have stated before, the current system works--so long as the loopholes are filled (Top 10% scorers automatically make the playoffs). [/QUOTE]Why would we want MORE people eligible for the playoffs to solve a problem that doesn't need to exist? I absolutely LOVE the fact that only 32 teams are going to go for the $100k this year. Why make that number 36 or 41? Why not just take everyone to the playoffs if it's not going to be based on championship teams ONLY ?
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?
Dyv
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
The thing about points is they could at least POSSIBLY be made up quickly. Records cannot be made up quickly. You can't go '4-0' this week with record, so you're just as likely (if not more so) to quit when your team starts off 3-7 than if you get 200 pts. off the lead dog.
No?Yes.
That said, when teams have a chance to make the playoffs based on W/L **and** points, there will be far more teams eligible for the Week 14-16 extravaganza than in a system based solely on points.
Entering the final two weeks, does anyone know the percentage of teams that were still alive for a postseason berth?
As I have stated before, the current system works--so long as the loopholes are filled (Top 10% scorers automatically make the playoffs). [/QUOTE]Why would we want MORE people eligible for the playoffs to solve a problem that doesn't need to exist? I absolutely LOVE the fact that only 32 teams are going to go for the $100k this year. Why make that number 36 or 41? Why not just take everyone to the playoffs if it's not going to be based on championship teams ONLY ?
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?
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Originally posted by Dyv:
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event.
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event.
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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Originally posted by Dyv:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
no, it should be a three-week playoff (week 14-16) to determine the league champ...at least that's what jason tells me. run the league playoffs concurrently with the main event playoffs. I like this idea
Dave [/qb][/QUOTE]I like this idea too; makes sense having a playoff for lge concurrent with overall championship. What is the rationale for lge champ being crowned after only 13 wks?
[ November 29, 2004, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
no, it should be a three-week playoff (week 14-16) to determine the league champ...at least that's what jason tells me. run the league playoffs concurrently with the main event playoffs. I like this idea
Dave [/qb][/QUOTE]I like this idea too; makes sense having a playoff for lge concurrent with overall championship. What is the rationale for lge champ being crowned after only 13 wks?
[ November 29, 2004, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by renman:
gordon...
a win loss record over an entire season is WAY LESS of a crap shoot then a playoff game or playoff series is... and having all prizes going to the "total points" leader makes many teams just quit when they fall too far behind... do you really believe this?
gordon...
a win loss record over an entire season is WAY LESS of a crap shoot then a playoff game or playoff series is... and having all prizes going to the "total points" leader makes many teams just quit when they fall too far behind... do you really believe this?
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
I like this idea too; makes sense having a playoff for lge concurrent with overall championship. What is the rationale for lge champ being crowned after only 13 wks? not bad for a guy who grew up "on a farm". no ivy league education.
I like this idea too; makes sense having a playoff for lge concurrent with overall championship. What is the rationale for lge champ being crowned after only 13 wks? not bad for a guy who grew up "on a farm". no ivy league education.
Is my "weekend warrior" prep better than your prep?
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event. [/QUOTE]I agree, so then we both clearly agree that the wrong methodology is used to select the Championship teams... or said differently - the wrong criteria is being used to select the league champs. Having said that, if it's H2H that matters in any significant way, then being #2 overall in points is not important after 13 weeks.
And yet... the H2H matchup is a 'must' with FFL because 'it's always been that way.'
So, reap what is sown or fix the INITIAL problem. Slapping duct tape on the problem by sweeping extra teams into the champ bracket sucks because it dilutes the prize flight with excess teams.
Again, I ask, if it's not a hardcap of 2 teams per league, why not just let everyone in the championship bracket from top to bottom and award places 1-8 then randomly award other teams for 'best week 15', etc.
The other point I would make is that the 'original FFL' games were never designed to handle multiple league overall prize structures, so using the 'original formats' seems outdated, antiquated and seriously flawed.
Dyv
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event. [/QUOTE]I agree, so then we both clearly agree that the wrong methodology is used to select the Championship teams... or said differently - the wrong criteria is being used to select the league champs. Having said that, if it's H2H that matters in any significant way, then being #2 overall in points is not important after 13 weeks.
And yet... the H2H matchup is a 'must' with FFL because 'it's always been that way.'
So, reap what is sown or fix the INITIAL problem. Slapping duct tape on the problem by sweeping extra teams into the champ bracket sucks because it dilutes the prize flight with excess teams.
Again, I ask, if it's not a hardcap of 2 teams per league, why not just let everyone in the championship bracket from top to bottom and award places 1-8 then randomly award other teams for 'best week 15', etc.
The other point I would make is that the 'original FFL' games were never designed to handle multiple league overall prize structures, so using the 'original formats' seems outdated, antiquated and seriously flawed.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event. [/QUOTE]Here's another scenario... what if one league had 8 complete morons drafting teams and 6 guys who really knew what they were doing. The morons didn't even bother with FA picks so the top 6 teams got all the best FA after having the best drafted teams as well. What if in this ONE league, 4 of those 6 teams were in the top 10% and even beyond that, were so loaded that they took places 1-4 in the overall contest. Wouldn't that be grand?
Dyv
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
I don't want an artificial 'catch all' system that cleans up the mess after the initial flaws. Keep the championship field very narrow (top 2 in each league is okay). Should be a top 10 team that doesn't make the playoffs leading the consolation bowl, I guess?dave, you know that's not right. would you want the chance of having the team that's #2 overall after week 13 to not make the playoffs? that's not fair. the outcry would be loud and detrimental to this event. [/QUOTE]Here's another scenario... what if one league had 8 complete morons drafting teams and 6 guys who really knew what they were doing. The morons didn't even bother with FA picks so the top 6 teams got all the best FA after having the best drafted teams as well. What if in this ONE league, 4 of those 6 teams were in the top 10% and even beyond that, were so loaded that they took places 1-4 in the overall contest. Wouldn't that be grand?
Dyv
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