Norv Turner is an idiot

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:23 am

Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
LT looked good to me. 110 total yards while being poorly used against one of the best playing defenses in the NFL. Aside from that blunder of not using him on the goaline, how about only screening to him twice? How about almost never running out of a 3 or 4 wide spread formation (like they used to do all the time)? How about Rivers missing LT for an easy TD late in the game?

I thought LT showed bust and vision... Should be interesting to see what comes over the next few weeks... I see you finally get it. While LT may have looked a little better than the first few weeks he is a shell of his former self. Now it's a case of him being used poorly? :rolleyes: Perhaps the Chargers staff, you know, the guys that do this for a living, know what he has become. Even Gruden commented during the game that LT has lost a step. As much as they wanted him to do well it just didn't happen. He's not part of the passing game, they didn't run him like they would in the past with the lead, and they even took him out at the goalline. What game are you watching? [/QUOTE]What game are you watching?

Before Denver called a Time Out, LT was in there. Than the TO, than hey lets try to fool them. I do get the play, it didn't work. Who thought that SD was going to run with Sproles in there? Be honest.

LT, looked Good against a Good run Def. enough said, I was happy what I saw. Not to add but I will anyway, everyone see's something, we all can be right.

[/QUOTE]Yes, he was in there and THEY TOOK HIM OUT. His effort at the goalline the rest of the game was mediocre. If that was a first round rb you saw then we do see things very differently. [/QUOTE]Yes I liked what I saw. To be honest if LT puts up 13-15 points the rest of the way, I like my chances. 1ST round followed up by 10 very Good picks minus Eddie Royal. I'll take it.

Sound Advice · Post by **Sound Advice** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:26 am

Originally posted by Renman:
"...I thought LT showed bust and vision..."Freudian slip?

botherk · Post by **botherk** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:37 am

Player evaluators (of which coaches are a part of the process)never wrong.

Coaches always questioned...got it. :rolleyes:

mkrucek · Post by **mkrucek** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:51 am

Originally posted by Renman:
quote:Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
LT looked good to me. 110 total yards while being poorly used against one of the best playing defenses in the NFL. Aside from that blunder of not using him on the goaline, how about only screening to him twice? How about almost never running out of a 3 or 4 wide spread formation (like they used to do all the time)? How about Rivers missing LT for an easy TD late in the game?

I thought LT showed bust and vision... Should be interesting to see what comes over the next few weeks... I see you finally get it. While LT may have looked a little better than the first few weeks he is a shell of his former self. Now it's a case of him being used poorly? :rolleyes: Perhaps the Chargers staff, you know, the guys that do this for a living, know what he has become. Even Gruden commented during the game that LT has lost a step. As much as they wanted him to do well it just didn't happen. He's not part of the passing game, they didn't run him like they would in the past with the lead, and they even took him out at the goalline. What game are you watching? [/QUOTE]4D,

Numerous industry "experts" today touted how good LT looked last night (which is not overly relevant to me since I judge it by what I saw myself). They never had a "run out the clock" type of lead so I am not sure how they could be expected to "run him how they used to." Norv Turner explained why LT was out on the goaline on that ONE 3rd down play that got all the attention and it had nothing to do with the staff not believing in LT.

He showed good vision and burst against one of the best playing defenses in the NFL. Gruden thinks LT lost a step? wow.. who knew? I think LT lost a step. I think he may have lost 3 steps. But 75% of what LT was, in the 2009 fantasy football world where SO FEW RB's can be counted on to produce, is fine with me. I argued that LT will finish as a top 10 (and closer to top 5 in my opinion) RB from weeks 6 to 16.

I stand by that claim and expect him to produce going forward. [/QUOTE]Really, numerous experts? Who? The Denver defense was primed to stop Rivers and the passing game. Not LT.

Burst (bust) and vision? Really? He needs a lot to go right to get through the holes, and this line doesn't open them that often. He goes down on first contact far too often. He had one run that I couldn't believe the db brought him down in the open field with an arm. Top 10 the rest of the year? Good luck with that.

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:18 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Player evaluators (of which coaches are a part of the process)never wrong.

Coaches always questioned...got it. :rolleyes: I get a kick out of the guys who want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Did I say player evaluation experts are never wrong? No...

Go re read what I said if you want to have a friendly debate. If you just want to bicker.. well, I guess you will keep referencing points I never made.

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:27 am

4d,

As I have said countless times. I respect that you think LT is done. I am fine with anyone having that opinion. You talk about the guy like he punted your kitten off a balcony or something but so be it.

My question to you is this... If LT does perform well over weeks 6-16 are you going to be here to dicsuss it? I don't care that is offensive line is poor (and I agree with you it is), I don't care that he has lost a step or two (and I agree he has). I am saying two things...

1- no one can say "see, I told you so! I was right about LT being a bust and I was smart to avoid him!!!" based on him having his ankle rolled up on in week 1 resulting in little to no productivity through the first month of the season. What happened to LT could have happened to any RB and has happened to others.

2- I do not believe he has suddenly and magically dropped so far (regarding his own skill) that he isn't or can't be a highly productive fantasy RB this year. I believe he has enough in the tank to produce on the level I have outlined numerous times.

I respect you (and many others) think he is done. Do you respect that I (and I am in the minority) think differently?

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:01 am

Originally posted by Renman:
4d,

As I have said countless times. I respect that you think LT is done. I am fine with anyone having that opinion. You talk about the guy like he punted your kitten off a balcony or something but so be it.

My question to you is this... If LT does perform well over weeks 6-16 are you going to be here to dicsuss it? I don't care that is offensive line is poor (and I agree with you it is), I don't care that he has lost a step or two (and I agree he has). I am saying two things...

1- no one can say "see, I told you so! I was right about LT being a bust and I was smart to avoid him!!!" based on him having his ankle rolled up on in week 1 resulting in little to no productivity through the first month of the season. What happened to LT could have happened to any RB and has happened to others.

2- I do not believe he has suddenly and magically dropped so far (regarding his own skill) that he isn't or can't be a highly productive fantasy RB this year. I believe he has enough in the tank to produce on the level I have outlined numerous times.

I respect you (and many others) think he is done. Do you respect that I (and I am in the minority) think differently? James,

At least 4D, posted that LT is done, I'm sure if LT does nothing the rest of the year, others will come on here and say 'See I told ya so'.

It takes balls to pick LT like we did, we could have sat at the draft table with a skirt on like 4D did and past on LT.

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:01 am

Raiders,

Like I have said many times. I have NO PROBLEM with those who think LT is done, toast, dead, whatever.

I just don't like watching people (and several did) touting how they got the "LT mystery" right this year (mystery meaning where to value him) based on what happened in game one to his ankle.

If he goes on to be a bust and it is clearly due to HIM lacking, I will be the first one to come here and say I got it wrong. To me, LT was a gamble and taking him was the aggressive play. There was obvious risk, but his upside potential was obviously high. Some years I go the safer route with a 1st pick, other years I go aggressive.

Time will tell what the right play was... but nothing has been determined as of yet.

Raiders · Post by **Raiders** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:11 am

Originally posted by Renman:
Raiders,

Like I have said many times. I have NO PROBLEM with those who think LT is done, toast, dead, whatever.

I just don't like watching people (and several did) touting how they got the "LT mystery" right this year (mystery meaning where to value him) based on what happened in game one to his ankle.

If he goes on to be a bust and it is clearly due to HIM lacking, I will be the first one to come here and say I got it wrong. To me, LT was a gamble and taking him was the aggressive play. There was obvious risk, but his upside potential was obviously high. Some years I go the safer route with a 1st pick, other years I go aggressive.

Time will tell what the right play was... but nothing has been determined as of yet. Agree. I'm with You. I do believe this Topic will Go away soon, because You nor I will Brag that we were correct. But will be the first to say we were wrong.

Bring on week 7!

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:27 am

Raider,

LT next week...

114 rushing... 1 TD

4-50 Receiving,

25 fantasy points... how does that sound?