Best h2h format for 2005 ?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:10 am

The idea would work something like this, assuming a $7500 pot per league:

TEAM A has best record and 2nd most points
TEAM B has 2nd best record and most points
Prizes: TEAMS A & B get $3750 each

TEAM A has best record AND most points
TEAM B has 2nd most points
Prizes: TEAM A gets $5000; TEAM B gets $2500

How does that sound to everyone?

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:11 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
Someone else (JP?) even suggested giving a pot for the most points so if you won your league AND had most points you get more - intriguing, but not sure how it would work?
See the "Week 12 Statistics" link in General NFFC Discussion for the author of this idea. [/QUOTE]*cough* K of Q had a good idea.... *cough*

Let me just fix that post...

A little edit...

There we go.

Dave

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:15 am

You left the question mark, Mr. Wizard.

Can't let you and GG get ALL the credit for the good ideas, Dyv.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:21 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Dyv and GG, would we then have three weeks of threads between those two league teams asking if they wanted to split the $7,250 pot (next year's payout hopefully)? GG said that's just good business, but I don't want to see that. I want to see one team rewarded with a $5,000 prize for being the best team in that league. H2H over 13 weeks can determine that, but some people obviously don't agree.
Greg, with all due respect, your argument against a playoff revolves around your dislike for "deals". I believe this is your personal "hangup", possibly due to a bad experience in the past. I don't think the rest of us see that as an issue.

We are playing this for the money and if some league finalists choose to deal, fine. It's not "collusion" as nobody else is effected. Fact is, nobody would know, as those negotiations would take place via PM or email.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 1st place teams are right now in negotiations with 2nd place teams to give those 2nd place teams a piece of the $5000 and allow the 1st place team to lock in a high percentage of the prize. Just makes good business sense.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:21 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
You left the question mark, Mr. Wizard.

Can't let you and GG get ALL the credit for the good ideas, Dyv. The question mark leaves the impression that I was editing some other portion of the post and I was correct in that area... it's subtle, but important

Dyv

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:26 am

Here's the original idea (mine), for a playoff only if points and h2h are split...

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Gordon, does anyone still want a one-week playoff in Week 12 for the $5,000? Talk about luck coming into the equation of fantasy football. If you led your league all year long and then went against a team that had Manning or Harrison -- or God forbid both of them -- you would have an uphill climb in this one-week playoff format. Do you agree?

Those incredible games is one reason why I hate the one-week league determiner. Too much can happen to offset a full year of competition. Yes, I'd like the playoff.

It's not clear to me which is a better measure, best record or highest points. If those honors are split, I think a playoff would be great. There's actually a way to do that and not change your schedule.

If the season stays at 13 games and finals are weeks 14-16...

Leagues where best points and best record are won by the same team, that team wins the $5000 and 2nd and 3rd are awarded per the rules.

Where best record and most points are split, week 14 ALSO counts as the playoff for 1st place versus 2nd place. No problem with the "finals" as both will qualify anyway and they remain at weeks 14-16.

Let the best team win [/quote]

[ November 30, 2004, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: JerseyPaul ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:27 am

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
We are playing this for the money and if some league finalists choose to deal, fine. It's not "collusion" as nobody else is effected [SIC]. Fact is, nobody would know, as those negotiations would take place via PM or email.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 1st place teams are right now in negotiations with 2nd place teams to give those 2nd place teams a piece of the $5000 and allow the 1st place team to lock in a high percentage of the prize. Just makes good business sense. JP, I would like to hear your thoughts on splitting the league prize pool between H2H and points winners, giving a higher percentage to one of those teams if they win both categories.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:29 am

KofQ...

See my post just above yours...posted seconds before yours

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:44 am

I am in favor of the point leaders getting the $5K and the H2H winner getting the $2500 as the point leader showed the superior team managing skills. Would not be in favor of three week playoff because 13 weeks is plenty to decide who is the best. Like the idea of the top X% going to the big dance including those teams outside of the top X% with best league record or high league points.

Some of you mean well and your attempt at the utopian system is honorable. But the current system is a mirror image of the NFL and more importantly what most people find as acceptable. How many AFC teams will be pissed because they are 10-6 and sitting at home watching a 7-9 team in the NFC in the playoffs? That same scenario will happen here with some teams but as the statistics are pointing out, it will be the exception rather than the rule and unlike the NFL there is a consolation game. Nothing wrong with the KISS philosophy. Yes, the wheel needs some air but it ain't broke and doesn't need fixin. Good job, Greg.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:14 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
The idea would work something like this, assuming a $7500 pot per league:

TEAM A has best record and 2nd most points
TEAM B has 2nd best record and most points
Prizes: TEAMS A & B get $3750 each

TEAM A has best record AND most points
TEAM B has 2nd most points
Prizes: TEAM A gets $5000; TEAM B gets $2500

How does that sound to everyone? Best record - $2500
Most Points - $2500
2nd Most points - $2500

On best record, I'd do NFL tiebreaker. H2H first, then pts if 3-way tie.

This makes both camps happy.

DYV, you make exellent points in your posts.

Something is getting lost here though. It seems like the new "net" generation of fantasy players is so consumed with stats, that they are forgetting that this is suppose to mirror the real thing.

This is Fantasy Football, Not Football Statistical Analysis for Einsteins.

The real thing is far from perfect. STL or NYG at 5-6 would make the playoffs right now and DEN or NYJ at 7-4 would not. That's life in the NFL and it SHOULD be part of the life here. A great game goes beyond crunching numbers, it also gives you the same experiences that happen in real life.

Total points "only" is a robotic, emotionless, experience. The thrill, and a tremendous amount of strategy is tossed out the window.

I had 10 times more fun watching my LV Auction game this week that changed leads about 10 times on Sunday and Monday than I did watching my Mid-A team. (well, at least until the pooper broke off that 40 yarder)

The only reason points should be considered is that this is more than just one league as you stated. That does make it different and it should be accounted for.

If you take h2h out, or even make it "all teams", that would take away so much from the game and I doubt this event would last.

The main reason FF exploded in 1994 was the intense weekly competition that it provides and all that goes with it.

I think it should be split 50/50 for "this" event.