Best h2h format for 2005 ?

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:18 am

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
The idea would work something like this, assuming a $7500 pot per league:

TEAM A has best record and 2nd most points
TEAM B has 2nd best record and most points
Prizes: TEAMS A & B get $3750 each

TEAM A has best record AND most points
TEAM B has 2nd most points
Prizes: TEAM A gets $5000; TEAM B gets $2500

How does that sound to everyone? Best record - $2500
Most Points - $2500
2nd Most points - $2500

[/QUOTE]So a team who outscores another team by say 100 points gets the SAME prize?

If they would go to most points getting more than head to head, then everyone should play everyone each week, and have an OVERALL record for the season.

It doesn't seem like Greg wants to get rid of Head to Head though, and I really can't blame him.

I think it is hilarious that after Week 12, everyone is griping about the rules, and you can tell who the people who scored a lot of points are, and are not getting anything. Some of you risked $1,250 because you know football and had some bad luck, and some of you THINK you know football and had $$ to burn. I guess it is up to you to decide who you are before next year?

I for one have already wrapped up my league, and am 2nd in points in my league. I however think that total points is a better way to determine a league winner, and would be game for that next year. (However, I have no problem walking away with a cool 5K THIS year!

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[ November 30, 2004, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:32 am

Billy, I don't think anyone is griping about the rules for THIS season... but pointing out issues as we see them form for next season.

There's nothing cool about 'luck' when it involves big dollars. I can buy lottery tickets any time... I'd prefer my fantasy games to be as skill oriented as possible. The 'thrill' of an opportunity to get lucky with my schedule isn't satisfying to me at all...

This is the National Championship, not some local bar league. Want it to grow by convincing everyone they DO have a chance and build in as much luck as possible? Cool, just state that's the goal and we can all make decisions to play or not to play. Want to make it a CHAMPIONSHIP where you do your best to reward the 'best' player? Well, clearly points need to be a bigger factor then and luck should be reduced.

Dyv

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:34 am

Billy...congrats...

I was just trying to simplify his thought.

But in thinking further, the league winner has to win $5k no matter what or it would not be worth the $1250 investment.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:38 am

UFS: I appreciate the fact it can mirror the real thing... and that IS important. I do think H2H is important to maintain and that it IS a big part of the fun. I'm perfectly okay with figuring out a league payout that rewards the H2H champ but I can't understand penalizing the points champ. Make them equal? Cool, I can handle that. Reward the H2H possibly 'lucky' owner with 3 times as much cash? Doesn't make sense to me...

The All Play does take away some, but not all, of the fun. But if it's important that someone gets $5k as 'league champ' then how to name that person should be examined.

That's all I'm championing here... what is the most effective way to get the top 2 teams from each league recognized and sent up to the Playoff weeks?

One answer might be to take the top record and the next TWO best scores from each league and put them into the finals...

Dyv

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:48 am

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
The idea would work something like this, assuming a $7500 pot per league:

TEAM A has best record and 2nd most points
TEAM B has 2nd best record and most points
Prizes: TEAMS A & B get $3750 each

TEAM A has best record AND most points
TEAM B has 2nd most points
Prizes: TEAM A gets $5000; TEAM B gets $2500

How does that sound to everyone? Best record - $2500
Most Points - $2500
2nd Most points - $2500

On best record, I'd do NFL tiebreaker. H2H first, then pts if 3-way tie.

This makes both camps happy.

DYV, you make exellent points in your posts.

Something is getting lost here though. It seems like the new "net" generation of fantasy players is so consumed with stats, that they are forgetting that this is suppose to mirror the real thing.

This is Fantasy Football, Not Football Statistical Analysis for Einsteins.

The real thing is far from perfect. STL or NYG at 5-6 would make the playoffs right now and DEN or NYJ at 7-4 would not. That's life in the NFL and it SHOULD be part of the life here. A great game goes beyond crunching numbers, it also gives you the same experiences that happen in real life.

Total points "only" is a robotic, emotionless, experience. The thrill, and a tremendous amount of strategy is tossed out the window.

I had 10 times more fun watching my LV Auction game this week that changed leads about 10 times on Sunday and Monday than I did watching my Mid-A team. (well, at least until the pooper broke off that 40 yarder)

The only reason points should be considered is that this is more than just one league as you stated. That does make it different and it should be accounted for.

If you take h2h out, or even make it "all teams", that would take away so much from the game and I doubt this event would last.

The main reason FF exploded in 1994 was the intense weekly competition that it provides and all that goes with it.

I think it should be split 50/50 for "this" event. [/QUOTE]John,

Do you think a modified h2h (where the top teams get a win each week) takes the fun out?

All it means is that everyone has to watch the bubble teams each week rather than their scheduled opponent.

To me, this is a lot more fun than playing the top scoring team and knowing you'll lose no matter how many points you score.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:48 am

Originally posted by Dyv:
One answer might be to take the top record and the next TWO best scores from each league and put them into the finals... too many teams. i remember something about chickenwire patch jobs

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:50 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Dyv:
One answer might be to take the top record and the next TWO best scores from each league and put them into the finals... too many teams. i remember something about chickenwire patch jobs [/QUOTE]Duly Noted

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:54 am

if the H2H format doesn't change, best record and most pts make the playoffs, add any team in the top 8-10%. simple & gets the job done.

as far as league prizes, i agree the top prize needs to stay at $5,000+. 3 week playoff for league championship will help weed out any best record team who got there by luck. thanks.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:01 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Dyv and GG, would we then have three weeks of threads between those two league teams asking if they wanted to split the $7,250 pot (next year's payout hopefully)? GG said that's just good business, but I don't want to see that. I want to see one team rewarded with a $5,000 prize for being the best team in that league. they could be making the deals without you knowing. i would. you may not like it, but it is a business decision. it's called hedging.

lichtman · Post by **lichtman** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:25 am

I like the idea of simultaneous playoffs.

I would even like to see a couple of teams that are not moving on into the Overall competition to compete for the league title.

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