Best h2h format for 2005 ?

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:33 am

No comments on my suggestion?....

Leagues where best points and best record are won by the same team, that team wins the 1st place money and 2nd and 3rd are awarded per the rules.

Where best record and most points are split, week 14 ALSO counts as the playoff for 1st place versus 2nd place. No problem with the "finals" as both will qualify anyway and they remain at weeks 14-16.

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:36 am

they could be making the deals without you knowing. i would. you may not like it, but it is a business decision. it's called hedging.Hedging is for the weak and unconfident, two qualities which I don't picture you having. Hedging is what I do with my stock portfolio for which I have no control over the companies I invest in. But you have total control of your FF team, the same control as every other owner. An owner who doesn't have confidence in his decision making in this championship needs to not be in it.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:40 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
Hedging is for the weak and unconfident really? you ever trade options?

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
But you have total control of your FF team, the same control as every other owner. An owner who doesn't have confidence in his decision making in this championship needs to not be in it. do i have any control over other owners teams? no.

hedging is a basic tool that many business folks use. if you think i'm weak...that's your opinion. i would only use it if the #'s worked out to hedge. i don't have a blanket rule.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:43 am

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
No comments on my suggestion?....

Leagues where best points and best record are won by the same team, that team wins the 1st place money and 2nd and 3rd are awarded per the rules.

Where best record and most points are split, week 14 ALSO counts as the playoff for 1st place versus 2nd place. No problem with the "finals" as both will qualify anyway and they remain at weeks 14-16. sorry we need to get flood control on dyv. i didn't even see your post. sorry. in any event, i don't understand what you are saying in the event that the top record team and most pt teams are different and have a one game playoff week 14. how much does the winner get. what about the loser. i think the top league prize has to stay at $5,000 minimum. plus, the three week playoff seems to make more sense over a one game...doesn't it.

[ November 30, 2004, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:47 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
Hedging is what I do with my stock portfolio for which I have no control over the companies I invest in. But you have total control of your FF team, the same control as every other owner. not to pick on you...but i took a 2nd look, and i would disagree with your above statements. you only pick your players, much like you fund or whatever you invest in. their performance is totally out of your control.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:03 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
The idea would work something like this, assuming a $7500 pot per league:

TEAM A has best record and 2nd most points
TEAM B has 2nd best record and most points
Prizes: TEAMS A & B get $3750 each

TEAM A has best record AND most points
TEAM B has 2nd most points
Prizes: TEAM A gets $5000; TEAM B gets $2500

How does that sound to everyone? Best record - $2500
Most Points - $2500
2nd Most points - $2500

On best record, I'd do NFL tiebreaker. H2H first, then pts if 3-way tie.

This makes both camps happy.

DYV, you make exellent points in your posts.

Something is getting lost here though. It seems like the new "net" generation of fantasy players is so consumed with stats, that they are forgetting that this is suppose to mirror the real thing.

This is Fantasy Football, Not Football Statistical Analysis for Einsteins.

The real thing is far from perfect. STL or NYG at 5-6 would make the playoffs right now and DEN or NYJ at 7-4 would not. That's life in the NFL and it SHOULD be part of the life here. A great game goes beyond crunching numbers, it also gives you the same experiences that happen in real life.

Total points "only" is a robotic, emotionless, experience. The thrill, and a tremendous amount of strategy is tossed out the window.

I had 10 times more fun watching my LV Auction game this week that changed leads about 10 times on Sunday and Monday than I did watching my Mid-A team. (well, at least until the pooper broke off that 40 yarder)

The only reason points should be considered is that this is more than just one league as you stated. That does make it different and it should be accounted for.

If you take h2h out, or even make it "all teams", that would take away so much from the game and I doubt this event would last.

The main reason FF exploded in 1994 was the intense weekly competition that it provides and all that goes with it.

I think it should be split 50/50 for "this" event. [/QUOTE]John,

Do you think a modified h2h (where the top teams get a win each week) takes the fun out?

All it means is that everyone has to watch the bubble teams each week rather than their scheduled opponent.

To me, this is a lot more fun than playing the top scoring team and knowing you'll lose no matter how many points you score. [/QUOTE]Not all the fun, but it isn't FB. That's hoops and baseball (I actually have weekly schedules in those like you are suggesting)

I've beaten 3 of the top teams in LV Auction. Any team can win any week in real FB and here.

Dyv, all good points again, but who is the better team here:

A: 95, 205, 110, 130 = 540
B: 145, 125, 125, 145 = 540

I'm with ya on 50/50. But many of you are discounting too much the skill involved in playing each week to your best.

No time to research, but how many of those 6 teams are there just because they had ONE killer week where E.Kinney or Campbell scored 3 times?

On the other side of the coin, why I should I be penalized because I had just ONE bad week. GG scored 61 in MID A as everyone of his good players tanked. He has a good team and they were all awful (except Henson LOL).

He's now 4th. I bet in H2H, he would be 2nd or 3rd.

This argument goes both ways.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:09 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
if the H2H format doesn't change, best record and most pts make the playoffs, add any team in the top 8-10%. simple & gets the job done.

as far as league prizes, i agree the top prize needs to stay at $5,000+. 3 week playoff for league championship will help weed out any best record team who got there by luck. thanks. I like the idea of the league and National playoff at same time.

Quite often, the team with the most points is the one with the fewest key injuries. Luck, not entirely skill. There's many a good team out there that had a few injuries along the way and is now healthy and would compete nicely and could easily be regarded as the "best" team.

Playoff would also weed out teams that make the final seed with lucky schedule.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:38 am

Originally posted by UFS:

Quite often, the team with the most points is the one with the fewest key injuries.

That's usually the way it works in pro sports as well.

Sorry for the interuption. Carry on.

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:38 am

It's sooooooo simple, why all the half page posts?

Most points, best record...tastes great, less filling.

If 1 team gets both, they get the 1st place prize, whatever it is...$5000 this year, maybe more next year. 2nd and 3rd goes to next best points.

If those honors are split, a playoff for 1st, loser gets 2nd. Playoff is 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks, I don't care, the best team gets the big prize.

Why make this so hard?

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:56 am

really? you ever trade options?Yes. I didn't trade them to hedge, though, I traded them to buy low. Never bought puts, only calls.

do i have any control over other owners teams? no.You're not investing in them either. When you put your money up, you were investing in you and your ability to outmanage the rest.

if you think i'm weak...that's your opinion.Read my post again. I said these are two qualities I don't picture you having, but you somehow got caught up in this hedging conversation.

hedging is a basic tool that many business folks use.I have a double major in business, even though it was at a major university in the South which could still, to some, classify me as a dumb hick.
I know what hedging is and there's no place for it in this league. This league should be a friendly competition among folks with some ego and a love for football, not a business decision. Spending five months talking on these boards about making this league more enjoyable with all of your ideas and then talking about hedging your winnings just don't jive. You're damaging your credibility with this topic.