Best h2h format for 2005 ?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:14 am

Originally posted by Route C:
[QB] I REALLY like this idea JP. It kind of mirrors what NASCAR did this year. The spread being the same every year would allow us to track the playoff "chances" of 1-32 every year. I'm assuming it would have the same point cap even when we add more teams, just more of a logjam in the middle? QB]1. what current "problem" does this address?
2. how does this benefit the NFFC and/or fantasy owners?

dgamblnman · Post by **dgamblnman** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:20 am

To play devils advocate, there are leagues that are more competitive than others. Comparing teams across the board without comparing leagues I think is a little unfair. Should there be a "league index" or some other "normalizing" factor to fairly compare acoss leagues be implemented?

I think taking the weekly average is good, I probably would not be opposed to doubling it, tripling it is way too much. There is already the "weak league" advantage built in. Plus, just like in the real world, in the playoffs, teams are on a level playing field with the exception of football, there are first round byes. Then again, we do not play each other in the playoffs.

dgamblnman · Post by **dgamblnman** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:21 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
[QB] I REALLY like this idea JP. It kind of mirrors what NASCAR did this year. The spread being the same every year would allow us to track the playoff "chances" of 1-32 every year. I'm assuming it would have the same point cap even when we add more teams, just more of a logjam in the middle? QB]1. what current "problem" does this address?
2. how does this benefit the NFFC and/or fantasy owners? [/QUOTE]damnit GG, here I go again agreeing.......

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:53 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
GG - It isnt silly to ff baseball players because there are a lot of hardcore NL/AL-only players out there. it can be hardcore and still be silly. mutually exclusive. to clarify, i'm not saying owners are silly, just that the set-up (player universe) is silly. next year, let's have AFC and NFC auctions.

[/QUOTE]See, to me, its more silly to combine the NL and AL than keep them separate because hardcore lge guys don't really care about the inferior lge until after the fantasy season is over anyway. A better analogy would be combining the NFL with the USFL (if it still existed).

kjduke · Post by **kjduke** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:06 am

The point of this thread (see below) has unfortunately not been addressed.

1) Maintain the W/L on a weekly basis.
2) Eliminate the extreme luck factor of scheduling.
3) Keep it marketable (relatively simple).

I see minor tweak after minor tweak suggested while no one addresses an issue that could completely neutralize the most unfair and random component of the game, scheduling.

The only alternative is to make this a points game (which has its own flaws even in the skill sense), and which Greg has already said will not happen.

I think the only post adressing the issue was UFS, but he dismissed it as a baseballl idea not a football idea ... John, what's with the not invented here attitude?

Is it that all of you "skill" guys secretly want the luck factor to stay in?

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:09 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
[QB] I REALLY like this idea JP. It kind of mirrors what NASCAR did this year. The spread being the same every year would allow us to track the playoff "chances" of 1-32 every year. I'm assuming it would have the same point cap even when we add more teams, just more of a logjam in the middle? QB]1. what current "problem" does this address?
2. how does this benefit the NFFC and/or fantasy owners? [/QUOTE]These are good questions GG. The "problem" I posted was: The overall pts. leader getting NOTTA under the current handicapping system. 1 pt = .07 pts.

2 possible solutions

1)Prize money for leader + no pt. handicap
2)Revise handicapping to benefit the leader more than current system does.

JP's idea could accomplish pt #2.
I'm not saying the #'s shouldn't be tweeked a bit.
It is the concept that appeals to me. We could run the actual #'s after week 13 to determine a fair spread.

The benefit would be primarily for the leader although the bottom scoring teams would benefit as well. ( I don't like the 2nd part of that much)

With alot of MB opinion favoring total pts. as the measuring stick for "best overall team", I'd think we would want to address this as well.

The simplest solution is a cash prize after 13 weeks. I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

Do you think the leader should be rewarded after 13 weeks? Thoughts?

RC

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:38 am

You guys are continually trying to complicate this. H2H needs to stay the way it is as it is the fun aspect of the game (this may offend the guys who want to treat this championship like a business, but tough). The payout is what may need to change. See BillyWaz thread on payout and see if this doesn't resolve the issue.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:06 am

One more quick thought. Since we have a 3 week playoff round, why not multiply the avg. by 3.

Before you shoot down the idea consider the numbers.
Team New 1st overall - weekly avg. 155
Sly guys 32nd overall - weekly avg. 132

I understand that we don't take the top 32 but for the sake of the example that equates to 69 pts. from 1st to 32nd.

16th overall - weekly avg. 138 = 51 pts.
I think from 1st to last there should be more than a 23 pt. handicap - or, just give the guy some money.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:43 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:
See, to me, its more silly to combine the NL and AL than keep them separate because hardcore lge guys don't really care about the inferior lge until after the fantasy season is over anyway. A better analogy would be combining the NFL with the USFL (if it still existed). my prediction: given time the hardcore lge guys will be replaced by hardcore MLB auction guys

JerseyPaul · Post by **JerseyPaul** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:45 am

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
It's sooooooo simple, why all the half page posts?

Most points, best record...tastes great, less filling.

If 1 team gets both, they get the 1st place prize, whatever it is...$5000 this year, maybe more next year. 2nd and 3rd goes to next best points.

If those honors are split, a playoff for 1st, loser gets 2nd. Playoff is 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks, I don't care, the best team gets the big prize.

Why make this so hard?