Originally posted by FI$HER:
Riff...
the one good thing from this situation is that the error was with a bona-fide stud top 5 WR. If this happened with a different WR, who lets say is on the fence in regard to perceived value to NFFC and scoring, then this thread would be another 30 pages before it was done.
For example, lets say a player like Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker , etc. who had decent week one scoring, but no long term NFL successful track record like S. Smith.....then this whole thing woulda been a nightmare... You had to go there. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by FI$HER:
Riff...
the one good thing from this situation is that the error was with a bona-fide stud top 5 WR. If this happened with a different WR, who lets say is on the fence in regard to perceived value to NFFC and scoring, then this thread would be another 30 pages before it was done.
For example, lets say a player like Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker , etc. who had decent week one scoring, but no long term NFL successful track record like S. Smith.....then this whole thing woulda been a nightmare... You had to go there. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]My point is that since it was Steve Smith who was dropped, I immediately could decipher the fact that it was a mistake well before hearing Greg or Riff chime in....as I did last night.
On the flip side, if it was not a player of S. Smith's caliber...then I would not have the same view point and opinion as I did.
quote:Originally posted by FI$HER:
Riff...
the one good thing from this situation is that the error was with a bona-fide stud top 5 WR. If this happened with a different WR, who lets say is on the fence in regard to perceived value to NFFC and scoring, then this thread would be another 30 pages before it was done.
For example, lets say a player like Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker , etc. who had decent week one scoring, but no long term NFL successful track record like S. Smith.....then this whole thing woulda been a nightmare... You had to go there. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]My point is that since it was Steve Smith who was dropped, I immediately could decipher the fact that it was a mistake well before hearing Greg or Riff chime in....as I did last night.
On the flip side, if it was not a player of S. Smith's caliber...then I would not have the same view point and opinion as I did.
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Originally posted by FI$HER:
quote:Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by FI$HER:
Riff...
the one good thing from this situation is that the error was with a bona-fide stud top 5 WR. If this happened with a different WR, who lets say is on the fence in regard to perceived value to NFFC and scoring, then this thread would be another 30 pages before it was done.
For example, lets say a player like Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker , etc. who had decent week one scoring, but no long term NFL successful track record like S. Smith.....then this whole thing woulda been a nightmare... You had to go there. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]My point is that since it was Steve Smith who was dropped, I immediately could decipher the fact that it was a mistake well before hearing Greg or Riff chime in....as I did last night.
On the flip side, if it was not a player of S. Smith's caliber...then I would not have the same view point and opinion as I did. [/QUOTE]Understood, you just opened up a can of worms. 
quote:Originally posted by Raiders:
quote:Originally posted by FI$HER:
Riff...
the one good thing from this situation is that the error was with a bona-fide stud top 5 WR. If this happened with a different WR, who lets say is on the fence in regard to perceived value to NFFC and scoring, then this thread would be another 30 pages before it was done.
For example, lets say a player like Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker , etc. who had decent week one scoring, but no long term NFL successful track record like S. Smith.....then this whole thing woulda been a nightmare... You had to go there. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]My point is that since it was Steve Smith who was dropped, I immediately could decipher the fact that it was a mistake well before hearing Greg or Riff chime in....as I did last night.
On the flip side, if it was not a player of S. Smith's caliber...then I would not have the same view point and opinion as I did.
[/QUOTE]Understood, you just opened up a can of worms. FAAB: D.Ward $995
Who to start this week D.Ward vs GB
Or Burleson vs. Cards?
Or Burleson vs. Cards?
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Originally posted by Raiders:
Who to start this week D.Ward vs GB
Or Burleson vs. Cards? D Ward vs GB...
The packs D is over rated....
w00t
Who to start this week D.Ward vs GB
Or Burleson vs. Cards? D Ward vs GB...
The packs D is over rated....
w00t
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Originally posted by UFS:
Well said Riff.
I'm glad Greg is putting S.Smith back on your roster.
Human error will occur occasionally and being able to correct it is the right thing to do.
Someone mentioned there are many BF's that would leave. I think there are more of us that would leave if the decisions weren't based on common sense. I'd just like one question answered. When is human error correctable and when is it allowed to stand as part of the game? Take Riff out of this before you answer.
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice.
As to Blue Foot's claims of impropriety, ridiculous. I'm certainly not part of the Chum Club (anti-Chum, if you will) and I think he owes everyone that he insulted an apology. A real one, not one because he's through arguing.
In any event, whatever Greg decides is fine by me, let's just get this tightened up more so it doesn't cause an uproar again. My opinion is reverse the whole claim. If you are going to put Smith back, don't allow the pickup at all.
As to Ward for $921, I'm hoping I got a better deal for my $1 spent on Bradshaw.
Well said Riff.
I'm glad Greg is putting S.Smith back on your roster.
Human error will occur occasionally and being able to correct it is the right thing to do.
Someone mentioned there are many BF's that would leave. I think there are more of us that would leave if the decisions weren't based on common sense. I'd just like one question answered. When is human error correctable and when is it allowed to stand as part of the game? Take Riff out of this before you answer.
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice.
As to Blue Foot's claims of impropriety, ridiculous. I'm certainly not part of the Chum Club (anti-Chum, if you will) and I think he owes everyone that he insulted an apology. A real one, not one because he's through arguing.
In any event, whatever Greg decides is fine by me, let's just get this tightened up more so it doesn't cause an uproar again. My opinion is reverse the whole claim. If you are going to put Smith back, don't allow the pickup at all.
As to Ward for $921, I'm hoping I got a better deal for my $1 spent on Bradshaw.
You'll be fine long as your pretty face holds out, then it's gonna get pretty cold out...
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Originally posted by Raiders:
Who to start this week D.Ward vs GB
Or Burleson vs. Cards? I'd (and will) start Ward. Alexander runs "wild" against AZ negating much passing. and I suspect Hasselbeck/Holmgren will be "forcing" a few to Branch this week. But it goes without saying...anyone can go off against the Cardinals.
Who to start this week D.Ward vs GB
Or Burleson vs. Cards? I'd (and will) start Ward. Alexander runs "wild" against AZ negating much passing. and I suspect Hasselbeck/Holmgren will be "forcing" a few to Branch this week. But it goes without saying...anyone can go off against the Cardinals.
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Originally posted by 4D:
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice. [/QB]Agree with your post, especially the apology part..
To answer your question, it's hard to have a hard and fast rule on this. It's really case by case IMO and should be worded that way.
As I said, internet things are going to happen. I've run very similar on the net since 1997. I ask all to review the confirmation page (which could have been done here) and e-mail me ASAP if they see a mistake made so I can fix it.
Occasionally, what happened here happens and it's not caught until the report is run. In those cases, common sense dictates and what a reasonable owner would have done rules IMO. That means S.Smith, Welker, Marshall and anyone that would have never been waived that week gets put back on the roster. Protecting the investment of each and every owner far outweighs and BF BS.
I've been in numerous sats in both sports where things were rolled back. This should always be done if at all possible because getting it right outweighs any of the other alternatives on BOTH sides of the fence.
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice. [/QB]Agree with your post, especially the apology part..
To answer your question, it's hard to have a hard and fast rule on this. It's really case by case IMO and should be worded that way.
As I said, internet things are going to happen. I've run very similar on the net since 1997. I ask all to review the confirmation page (which could have been done here) and e-mail me ASAP if they see a mistake made so I can fix it.
Occasionally, what happened here happens and it's not caught until the report is run. In those cases, common sense dictates and what a reasonable owner would have done rules IMO. That means S.Smith, Welker, Marshall and anyone that would have never been waived that week gets put back on the roster. Protecting the investment of each and every owner far outweighs and BF BS.
I've been in numerous sats in both sports where things were rolled back. This should always be done if at all possible because getting it right outweighs any of the other alternatives on BOTH sides of the fence.
Jules is a Dirt bag and makes my luck.
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Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by UFS:
Well said Riff.
I'm glad Greg is putting S.Smith back on your roster.
Human error will occur occasionally and being able to correct it is the right thing to do.
Someone mentioned there are many BF's that would leave. I think there are more of us that would leave if the decisions weren't based on common sense. I'd just like one question answered. When is human error correctable and when is it allowed to stand as part of the game? Take Riff out of this before you answer.
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice.
As to Blue Foot's claims of impropriety, ridiculous. I'm certainly not part of the Chum Club (anti-Chum, if you will) and I think he owes everyone that he insulted an apology. A real one, not one because he's through arguing.
In any event, whatever Greg decides is fine by me, let's just get this tightened up more so it doesn't cause an uproar again. My opinion is reverse the whole claim. If you are going to put Smith back, don't allow the pickup at all.
As to Ward for $921, I'm hoping I got a better deal for my $1 spent on Bradshaw. [/QUOTE]No apology will be offered NOR is any deserved!!!!
There is little doubt in my mind what happened here...the attempt at gaining a competitive advantage (I am stopping short of using the other word) was thwarted!
I am sorry that this has debate was required. I am not sorry that it occured. I stand by my observations of what has occured. It is my opinion. I respect that it may be wrong. But, I have seen nothing that changes my opinion on this matter. To me it was very obvious.
I also feel that it is a dead issue. Lets move on!
quote:Originally posted by UFS:
Well said Riff.
I'm glad Greg is putting S.Smith back on your roster.
Human error will occur occasionally and being able to correct it is the right thing to do.
Someone mentioned there are many BF's that would leave. I think there are more of us that would leave if the decisions weren't based on common sense. I'd just like one question answered. When is human error correctable and when is it allowed to stand as part of the game? Take Riff out of this before you answer.
This incident also points out the need for a definitive rule as Rob pointed out. Click it - stick it. And confirmation emails would be nice.
As to Blue Foot's claims of impropriety, ridiculous. I'm certainly not part of the Chum Club (anti-Chum, if you will) and I think he owes everyone that he insulted an apology. A real one, not one because he's through arguing.
In any event, whatever Greg decides is fine by me, let's just get this tightened up more so it doesn't cause an uproar again. My opinion is reverse the whole claim. If you are going to put Smith back, don't allow the pickup at all.
As to Ward for $921, I'm hoping I got a better deal for my $1 spent on Bradshaw. [/QUOTE]No apology will be offered NOR is any deserved!!!!
There is little doubt in my mind what happened here...the attempt at gaining a competitive advantage (I am stopping short of using the other word) was thwarted!
I am sorry that this has debate was required. I am not sorry that it occured. I stand by my observations of what has occured. It is my opinion. I respect that it may be wrong. But, I have seen nothing that changes my opinion on this matter. To me it was very obvious.
I also feel that it is a dead issue. Lets move on!
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Wow!
I haven't been back since I posted my thoughts on having to face Ward now in week 2 and look what I missed!
First as far as collusion, how in the heck is that even considered? Dropping a player in week 2 that won't be available to the league at all doesn't help anyone except maybe future opponents and I never even said Hi to RiFF who sat three seats down from me, so he isn't helping me.
Second, was it a computer error, no way. As has been stated you have 3 chances to confirm your intentions before submitting your final bid and Rich screwed that one up big time. Should it be reversed? I understand fully that Greg did "the right" thing, but boy I hope for his sake it doesn't open up a whole other can of worms. I am torn on who to start as my flex and when the guy I don't start rips off an 80 yard TD to start the game do I get a mulligan when I e-mail or call Greg right away and say oops I would have never sat Player A who I drafted in round 3 over a guy who is in a RBBC I took in round 14, give me the right guy please. Yes, two totally different scenarios and maybe two different outcomes, but is the "human error" vs "Stats error" any different in this scenario? There will be a***holes who challenge this decision and will try the lineup mistake scenario just to look for consistency in enforcing the rules and I hope it doesn't result in problems for Greg and Tom.
I think the proper decision was made as no fool would drop Smith, but shame on Rich for causing this to happen! He has been in this league since the get go I assume and should know how to use the site tools, so this should never have happened.
My first year in WCOFF my week 1 opponent inadvertantly checked both his defenses at the draft when submitting his lineup. I pointed this out to Lenny when realizing what the lineup had shown in week 1. Lenny sent me an e-mail stating what had happened with the Def, and said because of the mistake the team would get the lineup they(WCOFF) decided on based on how he drafted, ie his first QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, K, Def and first eligible flex player would be his starting lineup. This was according to the rules of course. The lineup he gave me and had actually checked all except for the two defenses was different and he should have lost, but the QB he got instead and Defense he got allowed him to win knocking me out of the 3rd place game. Because the rules were enforced correctly I lost out on a chance at $$$ and had no recourse since the stand up competitor refused to agree that his lineup was actually what he gave me at the draft. I understand the term revoke is used in the rules here, but does it clearly state that the player will be added back to the team dropping him? Or does it state the player will be taken out of the FA pool?
Again , I understand and respect the decision and will not question it any further, but if this is a precedent setter, you may want to clearly state it in the rules.
Now get back to week 2 and let's hope Droughns has a great game for my sake!
I haven't been back since I posted my thoughts on having to face Ward now in week 2 and look what I missed!
First as far as collusion, how in the heck is that even considered? Dropping a player in week 2 that won't be available to the league at all doesn't help anyone except maybe future opponents and I never even said Hi to RiFF who sat three seats down from me, so he isn't helping me.
Second, was it a computer error, no way. As has been stated you have 3 chances to confirm your intentions before submitting your final bid and Rich screwed that one up big time. Should it be reversed? I understand fully that Greg did "the right" thing, but boy I hope for his sake it doesn't open up a whole other can of worms. I am torn on who to start as my flex and when the guy I don't start rips off an 80 yard TD to start the game do I get a mulligan when I e-mail or call Greg right away and say oops I would have never sat Player A who I drafted in round 3 over a guy who is in a RBBC I took in round 14, give me the right guy please. Yes, two totally different scenarios and maybe two different outcomes, but is the "human error" vs "Stats error" any different in this scenario? There will be a***holes who challenge this decision and will try the lineup mistake scenario just to look for consistency in enforcing the rules and I hope it doesn't result in problems for Greg and Tom.
I think the proper decision was made as no fool would drop Smith, but shame on Rich for causing this to happen! He has been in this league since the get go I assume and should know how to use the site tools, so this should never have happened.
My first year in WCOFF my week 1 opponent inadvertantly checked both his defenses at the draft when submitting his lineup. I pointed this out to Lenny when realizing what the lineup had shown in week 1. Lenny sent me an e-mail stating what had happened with the Def, and said because of the mistake the team would get the lineup they(WCOFF) decided on based on how he drafted, ie his first QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, K, Def and first eligible flex player would be his starting lineup. This was according to the rules of course. The lineup he gave me and had actually checked all except for the two defenses was different and he should have lost, but the QB he got instead and Defense he got allowed him to win knocking me out of the 3rd place game. Because the rules were enforced correctly I lost out on a chance at $$$ and had no recourse since the stand up competitor refused to agree that his lineup was actually what he gave me at the draft. I understand the term revoke is used in the rules here, but does it clearly state that the player will be added back to the team dropping him? Or does it state the player will be taken out of the FA pool?
Again , I understand and respect the decision and will not question it any further, but if this is a precedent setter, you may want to clearly state it in the rules.
Now get back to week 2 and let's hope Droughns has a great game for my sake!