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Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:32 am

Originally posted by TamuScarecrow:
Good retort back, Gordon. Like you, I am in the NFFC for the long haul and would not be against any of the ideas that you and others have thrown out. I would love to see Greg set up leagues like the GEKKO Invitational where teams from the different cities can go head-to-head and where draft position bidding could be introduced and fine-tuned so that if and when it does become part of the NFFC it won't be a foreign concept and will be welcomed rather than dreaded. Baby steps!!! I agree with Dyv about people avoiding change but if you give them a chance to get involved with it for a reasonable price instead of $1250 I think you'll get a lot more people on the MB's supporting you on this issue.

Excellent thoughts. Could we do more satellite leagues next year with online drafts and this draft bidding process right from the start of the season? Absolutely. I've already talked to STATS about doing online drafts for baseball and football in 2005 and the process is in the works. Not only would this be a test league for the NFFC, but it would allow some of you guys that don't get to draft against each other in the NFFC a chance to compete in a new online league. I have a feeling that all of this will come together in 2005 if we plan ahead of time.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:42 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
I think this has already been mentioned, but how about letting Greg and Tom pick the numbers, then let people pick their draft order based on the number they received. The person who "owns" the 1st number drawn may opt for the 5th pick, the 2nd number the 1st pick, the 3rd the 14th pick, etc. It seems like a nice combination of everything that has been said thus far, and would be simple enough for even the "dead money" teams to understand. I'm surprised this hasn't been built up more as the idea has merit. Yes, it's still a random drawing, but as KJ Duke stated earlier, he got the No. 1 pick in the NFBC and HATED it. Let's say he now can grab any position and he chooses 4. Now he's happy. One way to make this happen would be to have everyone list their preferred draft positions before the leagues are formed and once the leagues are formed we go right down the preferred lists of 1 through 14. Now you at least have SOME say in where you are drafting.

Again, there is still a chance of random drawing involved here and lots of work to do on our end after the leagues are formed, but it's a step away from just RANDOM drawing of draft spots. I'm surprised there's not more support for this one as it's one small step toward giving each owner a little say in where he/she picks on Draft Day.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:44 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
it is still all based on luck.Should I open another can of worms here? If this is a game of skill, then why are the winners being taxed as if it is a game of luck? [/QUOTE]You are being taxed on earned income, not on whether you earned this through luck or skill.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:00 am

Originally posted by JerseyPaul:
So let's assume for a moment that getting to 602 players is the next big step for the NFFC. Keep in mind they are going head-to-head with an established event that will also seek to expand next year.

NFFC has an obvious advantage in the 3 city format and in the entry fee. It has a disadvantage in the 14 team format as it reduces the chances of winning the league but interestingly the $1250 for 14 teams gives almost exactly the same expected value as 12 teams at $1450 and there is no activity fee.

So what will make one more successful than the other? Personally, I think both have a very bright future. The challenge will not be to get players to choose one over the other, but to increase the total number of high stakes players.Here's another smart man. If there are more than 12 million adult Americans playing fantasy football (according to our latest FSTA omnibus survey), then surely there are more than 600 people who want to play a high-stakes fantasy football game. That was my opinion this year, that was Lenny & Emil's opinion this year, and of course that was the same opinion 10 other businessmen had this year. The WCOFF grew to 672 teams, so they were right. We had 224 teams, so we were "kind of" right. The 10 other businessmen were right, but their business plans were proven wrong.

I'm convinced this market is big enough for multiple high-stakes contests if they are different and are run in a first-class kind of way. No way that any of these events will survive if they don't treat the customer like royalty. If I'm paying $1,000+ to compete in a fantasy football league, I sure as hell better like it. And if I don't, I'll find another contest that treats me better.

We have established something good in Year One and we did the same thing in baseball. I'm convinced that with a year under our belt, we'll attract more players in 2005 to the NFFC. They are out there, they just unfortunately trusted the wrong people this year and are now on the sidelines. I believe the WCOFF and NFFC will continue to grow and excel in future years as there's enough room in this marketplace for two good high-stakes events and possibly more. We need to grow this area of the marketplace, not undercut each other, and I'm convinced that we will as people see how much fun it is to draft with top players from across the country and compete for grand prizes of $100,000 or more.

So priority Number One is growing the NFFC in three cities on Labor Day weekend of 2005.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:10 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'm surprised this hasn't been built up more as the idea has merit. no merit.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:13 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I believe the WCOFF and NFFC will continue to grow and excel in future years as there's enough room in this marketplace for two good high-stakes events and possibly more. We need to grow this area of the marketplace, not undercut each other the nffc has something the wcoff lost. advantage nffc

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:30 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I'm surprised this hasn't been built up more as the idea has merit. no merit. [/QUOTE]Why? On the draft bidding process, you are taking a stab at getting the draft position you want, but you're certainly not guaranteed of getting that spot even if you bid a lot on your desired spots. Since you're randomly getting placed in leagues that you don't know the other owners, it's possible that others also want that fifth spot or fourth spot or first spot that you desired. So in the end you may not get any of the draft spots you wanted.

In the proposed idea above, if you're able to get a top selection then you DEFINITELY will get the draft slot you wanted. Again, those who get bottom-tier selections may be drafting in spots they didn't want, but at least one portion of the randomness is eliminated. In the bidding process, new owners who either don't totally understand the process or don't want to spend very much on a draft slot really have no chance of getting a top-tiered spot, which I'm not sure is good for the contest.

lichtman · Post by **lichtman** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:30 am

If anyone is worried about paying the taxes on these "gambling" winnings, I'd like to suggest a very effective tax strategy.

Go to your loval OTB once a week and collect losing wager slips off the floor. You can use these as an offset to any gambling winnings.

and don't forget to deduct the $1250 entry fee from any winnings for your taxes.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:38 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Why? delete your posts now. gekko is coming. just having some fun with you on the MB.

i don't have the time this afternoon to get into a 2-3 page thread about the feasibility of this. but it is NOT a good idea. i'll post more tonight or this weekend.

LB Big Richards · Post by **LB Big Richards** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:43 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I believe the WCOFF and NFFC will continue to grow and excel in future years as there's enough room in this marketplace for two good high-stakes events and possibly more. We need to grow this area of the marketplace, not undercut each other the nffc has something the wcoff lost. advantage nffc [/QUOTE]Gordon, I met you in Vegas and you seem to be a regular guy, but man, if anyone hasn't mentioned this to you already, let me be the first - it's not always about you

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