Here's Tom's FBG Team: Have At It

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:13 am

Wow, it's pretty funny that this is still going on.

Can we all agree that if Manning were 100%, then MANNING's ADP would be higher this year? If so, then isn't it fair to assume that if Manning's ADP is taking about a 1-round hit, that his top WR would also? IOW, how much of Wayne's slide is due to Manning? We CAN'T say "none", right?

Therefore, to me, it comes down to "Do we think Manning will perform near his usual self?". If so, then we move Wayne back up on our board; if not, leave him there.

I still maintain that this is more about Manning than Wayne and that if Manning were at camp, Wayne might only fall into the MIDDLE of the 2nd round (whereas last year he went late 1st, early 2nd). Falling into the 3rd round HAS to be at least somewhat influenced by Manning.

Similar to other injured/questionable players each year, if we take the risk that a player (or another player on whom he depends) gets past the injury and he does, the reward can be great. Is Wayne in his twilight? Sure. But he wouldn't be the first player to still prove us all wrong and put up another top-10 year in spite of it.

[ August 24, 2011, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]

bald is beautiful · Post by **bald is beautiful** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:01 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
Tom,

I have 4 FFPC Online Championship drafts right here in front of me. He went at the 2/3 in one of them. In the others he went 4.4, 3.10, and 4.1. Maybe he will end up being a great value to you but there must be at least a few others that feel like his value is somewhat later.

But somewhere in this you missed my entire point. It's not that he's in some huge decline. It's than in the FFPC Online Championship leagues there are better values in the 3rd round than Reggie Wayne. In the NFFC it makes much more sense - especially in a .5 PPR for RB's. Reggie is not going away and will still be one of Mannings primary targets if not getting the most targets, but if you look at the draft as a whole it's just not that great value. To show you why I would have to break down about 40 additional players. I'll save that for Rich!

If you feel good about the pick then that's awesome. I think it's a safe bet he performs to 3rd to 4th round value in that format. I just don't see him breaking out this year and there are other guys that have a higher ceiling imho. At the end of the day they may not be as safe as Reggie but I'm wiling to gamble.

Wayne Helpful point Tom - Don't try to argue with a guy who WINS big $$$ every year.

Paul Gromek · Post by **Paul Gromek** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:09 am

My FBG team I drafted last night...my first experience with this format

I expected TEs to go early but I couldn't believe how quickly they went

12th pick

QB - Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco

RB - Knowshon Moreno, Ryan Matthews, Ben Jarvus Green-Ellis, Marshawn Lynch, Marion Barber

WR - Larry Fitzgerald, Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Maclin, Mike Thomas, Davone Bess, Roy Williams, Jerome Simpson, Jordan Shipley

TE - Dustin Keller, Kevin Boss, Jacob Tamme

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:13 am

It is a different animal over there. You have to completely revamp the strategy going back and forth. Easier said than done sometimes, like Saturday when I struggled here going too many backs, and then having Wayne clip every decent wide out from me every time by.

particra · Post by **particra** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:24 am

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:
It is a different animal over there. You have to completely revamp the strategy going back and forth. Easier said than done sometimes, like Saturday when I struggled here going too many backs, and then having Wayne clip every decent wide out from me every time by. Yep. Two completely different contests. Here, it's WRs and somewhat QBs. There, it's all about RBs and TEs.

It seems to me that the best teams at FPC are usually RB heavy (preferably pass catching RBs) and flex out a TE. A low-end TE1 like Dustin Keller will put up as many points as a guy like Lance Moore. As a result, WRs always drop and seem like deals, but they really aren't.

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:13 am

Originally posted by blue devils:
well stated sandman and i think that this is a fair assesment. i also feel that this thread should be retitled "Wayne on Wayne" and that tom didn't fight his case here strongly enough. I will still be wearing my Wayne jersey in Chicago though!

Wayne

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:15 am

Originally posted by Bald is Beautiful:
Helpful point Tom - Don't try to argue with a guy who WINS big $$$ every year. I have a ton of respect for Wayne but that doesn't mean I'm going to back down from my beliefs. No reason why I should.

bald is beautiful · Post by **bald is beautiful** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:51 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by Bald is Beautiful:
Helpful point Tom - Don't try to argue with a guy who WINS big $$$ every year. I have a ton of respect for Wayne but that doesn't mean I'm going to back down from my beliefs. No reason why I should. [/QUOTE]I agree.