Looking For Feedback On Extended FAAB Period

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:39 am

Rob,

A couple of years ago I proposed bidding like ebay. You put in your top dollar and get your player for one buck more than the second highest bidder. this takes out the guessing and has the same effect of live bidding.

I couldn't find any support for this idea.

I agree with you about true bidding (vs current method) on players being a better more accurate method ... it should be this way for every league IMHO, and I think the bids would end up being higher but with less guessing (assuming ebay uses the method that generates the most dollars )

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:41 am

Why do I always give "feedback" on other peoples post and so few (I know you did Jules) give any on mine? lol

I agree with Rob B about how in a professional level event we should have the FAAB process extend as close to Sundays games as possible. I think it is way more important to limit the time between free agent pick ups and Sunday kickoff than it is to review lineups. We all review lineups Sunday morning as we double and triple check that none of our players has a mystery injury, illness or arrest.

I agree with Jules that a weekly LIVE auction may be asking a lot of people for free agent pickups in the Diamond level leagues (that I can't afford).

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:04 am

WHEN Free Agency occurs is less important than how IMO. I am for the NFFC having time to correct problems if a FA problems occurs ... and late Friday is a good time frame IMO. I also think better owners can make better decisions earlier with less information. Waiting till the last minute with complete information makes decisions easier (easier is good for bad owners ... think about it!)

I do not agree winning Championships make opinions more valuable. Better/smarter ideas make opinions more valuable.

Just my thoughts

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:54 am

Gk,

People who matter do respect my opinons here. I am not worried about that. I was joking. I know you are mocking me, but technically I am a 2 time NFFC classic league champion. I won both the H2H and Total points championships in 2004 and I won the total point championship in 2006 en route to finishining 5th overall.

Thats two championships by my count... For the specific list Greg came up with they are only counting H2H championships so I obviously do not belong on that list.

Do you have an opinion on my post about the topic of this thread?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:06 am

Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Rob,

A couple of years ago I proposed bidding like ebay. You put in your top dollar and get your player for one buck more than the second highest bidder. this takes out the guessing and has the same effect of live bidding.

I couldn't find any support for this idea.

I agree with you about true bidding (vs current method) on players being a better more accurate method ... it should be this way for every league IMHO, and I think the bids would end up being higher but with less guessing (assuming ebay uses the method that generates the most dollars ) Mike-

I think they call this Vickery Method in the fantasy baseball world.

http://rotothinktank.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ethod.html

There was some talk about it in the NFBC a month ago. Here's the thread:

http://nfbcboards.fanball.com/cgi-bin/u ... 005852;p=1

I'm not in favor of this system.

[ June 22, 2010, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:56 am

Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
WHEN Free Agency occurs is less important than how IMO. I am for the NFFC having time to correct problems if a FA problems occurs ... and late Friday is a good time frame IMO. I also think better owners can make better decisions earlier with less information. Waiting till the last minute with complete information makes decisions easier (easier is good for bad owners ... think about it!)

I do not agree winning Championships make opinions more valuable. Better/smarter ideas make opinions more valuable.

Just my thoughts Don't think I agree with that reasoning really. If you are "good" owner, why would it matter how much information a "bad" owner has? I thought the idea was to have more complete info available for all owners to bid

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:06 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:
quote:Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Rob,

A couple of years ago I proposed bidding like ebay. You put in your top dollar and get your player for one buck more than the second highest bidder. this takes out the guessing and has the same effect of live bidding.

I couldn't find any support for this idea.

I agree with you about true bidding (vs current method) on players being a better more accurate method ... it should be this way for every league IMHO, and I think the bids would end up being higher but with less guessing (assuming ebay uses the method that generates the most dollars ) Mike-

I think they call this Vickery Method in the fantasy baseball world.

http://rotothinktank.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ethod.html

There was some talk about it in the NFBC a month ago. Here's the thread:

http://nfbcboards.fanball.com/cgi-bin/u ... 005852;p=1

I'm not in favor of this system. [/QUOTE]I read some of this. I see both sides.

To me ... in the NFFC auction league. Would you really want to bid one silent bid during the live draft for each player, compare, best bid gets the player for their top bid? That's how it is for free agency. Most player like the straight auction we currently have.

A straight auction lets players go for their true value ... not a best guess ... hoping not to go too high.

Last year I bought Miles Austin the week before he went off. I bid for about $230 in the Auction league. I could have had him for $1 ... but I couldn't risk not getting him. He was well worth it ... but I should have had him for a buck for him IMO. Why the premium price?

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:14 am

Originally posted by Old School:
quote:Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
WHEN Free Agency occurs is less important than how IMO. I am for the NFFC having time to correct problems if a FA problems occurs ... and late Friday is a good time frame IMO. I also think better owners can make better decisions earlier with less information. Waiting till the last minute with complete information makes decisions easier (easier is good for bad owners ... think about it!)

I do not agree winning Championships make opinions more valuable. Better/smarter ideas make opinions more valuable.

Just my thoughts Don't think I agree with that reasoning really. If you are "good" owner, why would it matter how much information a "bad" owner has? I thought the idea was to have more complete info available for all owners to bid [/QUOTE]It's not a big difference. But with both owners having less information. In my opinion, the better owner will fill in the blanks and have a better educated guess more often than the bad owner. You certainly wouldn't assume the better owner would be poorer at predicting the unknown's ... like injury situation and likely outcomes. The better owner will know team tendencies and what different coaches are more likely to do than a less informed owner. But it is just my opinion.

Ted's Cracked Head · Post by **Ted's Cracked Head** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:36 am

I know what you are saying Mike but doesn't a good owner benefit from more info too? Even more so than what you call a bad owner, whatever that means?

I am more concerned with injury information during the season and the way teams bs this stuff, sometimes you get info on Saturday that is more enlightening. That is the basis for my vote for a later FA process.