Interesting development.

[Diesel]

I thought working nights were tough. This thread makes working nights look like a cake walk. I know how to solve everything...

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All proceeds will go to the Diesel DieHard Carnegie Deli fund. This fund helps undernourished fantasy players with viable Pastrami or Corned Beef when needed most. Draft Day can be a crucial time for those who don't buy other people's cheat sheets. It's only a dollar a day. For 200 days. :rolleyes:

[ August 30, 2007, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Diesel ]

[pizzatyme]

Originally posted by Diesel:
I thought working nights were tough. This thread makes working nights look like a cake walk. I know how to solve everything...

The Diesel Diehard Draft results are on sale for $199.99 as of Friday night. Just email Diesel headquarters @ www.OOU812.Ican'tWaitForTheFreakin'MainEvent.com or our subsidiary company @ www.ThePreSeasonSucksCanWePleaseStartFa ... otball.com .
All proceeds will go to the Diesel DieHard Carnegie Deli fund. This fund helps undernourished fantasy players with viable Pastrami or Corned Beef when needed most. Draft Day can be a crucial time for those who don't buy other people's cheat sheets. It's only a dollar a day. For 200 days. :rolleyes: Marc, well said! I'm thinking about buying cheatsheets this year, looking.... looking.....

[Diesel]

Russ, for you, it's only $99.99...lol

Good Luck this weekend...I'm looking forward to writing for your site this year.

Marc

[Route Collectors]

Funny stuff Diesel daddy.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
So it's proprietary rights you want? Really? You want to go that route?

You (MDC/NFFC) wish to monopolise the draft results, and be the only legal party that can sell us out? Do you plan to include new legal writings in the MDC and NFFC acceptance terms?

If you are really trying to eliminate what Lou does from being legal...this is not the route.

If you are condoning it and attempting to profit on what you've already profited on (NFFC Sat Drafts)...nice. (Especially after ripping Lou for doing it in the first place.)

At $19 bucks...I'd guess it doesn't sell much. But hey...everything was programmed already with MDC...so even a few sales makes profit.

By making a mountain out of a mole hill...you not only look like flip flopper's, but greedy and monopolistic. Again...my hopes are that you wish to stamp out this practice...but I see the fight fantasy sports has with MLB and NFL stats as too close to this proprietary rights battle.

I'll also agree with Leroy that this NFFC Sat Cheatsheet (if many were to use it) would create draft with LESS skill and MORE luck.

Myself and I'd guess many others would no longer participate in these satellites in order to keep our picks secretive. So you win $19 and lose $1000.

This will get ugly.

~Lance Lance,

I just woke up in Las Vegas after a great flight out here, a great time at the pool where the sun baked me at 111 degrees and a good night at Margaritaville. I was with UFS, so he filled me in on the debate over drinks, so I was previewed about this rant.

I will respond without even reading any of the other posts here, okay? And if we still agree to disagree after this, that's fine.

First of all, I have no intention of stopping Lou or anyone else from analyzing their satellite drafts or creating their own pre-draft info that involves NFFC data. I've never contacted Lou to change anything. All I said was that the data from the satellite leagues were my information and knowing that so many others wanted to profit from my results made me provide that information on my own. For a price, which you can debate was right or wrong.

Secondly, we already offer free Premium subscriptions to MockDraftCentral.com for EVERY person who enters ANY event in the NFFC. This year, Jason has broken the ADPs down to where you can actually find NFFC ADPs. Including in that data is all of the satellite leagues we run. Those are free and available to all. But we all have to agree, that this data is somewhat skewed because some drafts have autopicks.

So when talking with Jason, I found he could break all of our satellite data by DC Leagues, by 18-round leagues, by time periods, etc. I loved the idea of providing this data to my satellite league participants and I will figure that out next year.

As for revealing any individual leagues or individual picks, I just don't see it with this ADP. The ranges are all over the board. This is an updated ADP from the free one offered by MDC. Yes, it's better info and yes I'm charging for it. I also charged to ship the magazines to folks who wanted them before draft day too. Some folks chose to pay the charge, some didn't. Same here.

As for more luck than skill? I don't think everyone is buying this ADP, so don't expect everyone to follow this to a T. A few folks will buy it and others could care less.

Ugly? Okay. We'll get ugly together in Las Vegas next weekend at WCOFF and you can rant about this to my face all you want. I'm not sure why you thought I was eliminating anything Lou was doing, but time to move on. And I guess I'll read the rest of this thread now before hitting the buffet. Have a good day.

[ August 30, 2007, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
I'm speaking of next season, should this NFFC cheatsheet be spread contest wide in 2008.

I've drafted in many sats this year.

~Lance oh i see. scare tactic. you aren't even in the nffc this year.

waaahhhhh!!!! waaahhhhh!!!!

this isn't a jab at your trackrecord, but do you think anyone cares who YOU draft in a satellite league? thanks. [/QUOTE]All I see is a loyal group of ass kissers giving the thumbs up to Greg for doing roughly the same thing Lou did and got ripped to sheds and called shadey and worse by cowards like you.

~Lance [/QUOTE]Lance, the problem I had with Lou initially is that he got these results from certain drafters and then basically showcased the results league by league, giving smart folks a complete list of the players picked by every team. And he did it without conferring with me first. We talked man to man and figured out a way he could continue to use some of the results without showcasing them individually. We agreed on how he could do that and all has been good since.

Lou will admit that he should have talked with me first and worked out a good plan. That happened after the hoopla and life moved on.

So it had nothing to do with him making money off these results. But I see you're on a roll, so I'll let you go.

[Purple Helmets]

Where can one find the lifetimes standings for the NFFC?

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Another joke is after the draft is over...this info is everywhere.

So if we can't lawfully spread this info BEFORE the Main Event...we can't spread it AFTER either, right?

According to you...Greg owns my entire draft info, and can post it for all to see...but I can't?

Interesting.

~Lance WHAT????? Lance, what are you talking about?? Man, you should have just come out here and drank with me instead of making all these wild posts. I guess you went off on the "proprietary" word. Well of course I own those draft results, but others use all particles of it in various ways. Just settle down on this point, okay? Lou and even you can have fun with my final ADPs now if you'd like. You have my permission.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Purple Helmets:
Where can one find the lifetimes standings for the NFFC? Click on Standings. Then click on Overall Standings and Lifetime Standings are shown there.