NFFC Facts After Week 12

[DOOMSDAY]

Seems like every thread turns into this same debate, so why not chime in.

I do not see BBDS as being confusing and difficult to figure out for anyone. It is the same process as FAAB, which itself is probably new to players that have not been in these high stakes leagues. Instead of bidding on a free agent player each week you are bidding on a draft spot for one week. This may even turn out to help newbies understand FAAB.

I, and probably most, would prefer getting a top 3 draft spot for the benefits of these few spectacular players. I however do not have a major problem with random drawings to determine these spots. I've been playing this way for over 15 years and have seen leagues won from other spots. Just because you can grab the best players here, there is no guarantee they will remain healthy for the entire season.

I for one was not in favor of the idea of BBDS using FA$. I don't really think that is a good correlation. The LT, LJ and SA owners should have already handcuffed their backups in the draft and don't really think the lack of FA$ levels the playing field, which is what I believe this to be about.

My interest was piqued a little more when I saw mention of bidding actual points for draft spots. Since head-to-head is staying, it would seem the bidded points would have to be averaged into each week.

But even then, here in lies the dilemma. Suppose you bid accordingly to their avg weekly scoring differences from the next tier of players. This in essence levels the field for these elite players being equal to others. If that is the case, then why would you covet them at all?

If it is all about trying to equal the playing field then do we also retroactively adjust the avg scores of breakout players such as the Colston's of the world?

Maybe I'm not fully grasping what the whole push for this here is all about. The two or three best players will always be just that, and if they are handicapped (by bidding points) to be any differently why stop with those players? If one of the big three go down do you get your points back (bc now you've been handicapped twice)?

If you argue it is just about "percieved control" and that makes you happy, you will still be unhappy if you don't get those picks, which 11 of 14 still will not.

There may be something to this, and Greg and Tom as always will come to an educated decision. It's pros and cons can be argued but I do not see the concept itself as being anything too complicated for anybody to understand.

If you cannot grasp BBDS then you probably cannot grasp FAAB. If you cannot grasp FAAB then you are probably not joining this contest anyways, so I do not see it as having a negative effect on it's growth - whether you like it or not.

My head feels like mush after typing all this. I hope there's something relevant in here for someone.

Carry on, thanks.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I've returned from my Happy Hour drink special at the Corner Bar and am looped enough to answer your rantings. i could see how having ~60% of your top 32 teams coming from only 3 draft slots could push you to drink.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by FISHER:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:
another thread down the drain When it comes to BBDS, these guys are like buzzards on a shitt wagon.

These boards have become unreadable. If its not beating it about BBDS, its a flock of seagulls jumping up Renman'[s asss to see what the guy ate for breakfast. If thats not the soup du jour, its how DeAngelo Williams is the next Jim Brown of the 6th round.

Greg, I honestly feel sorry for the fact that you have to deal with this on a consistent basis. I guess that is what being the owner/operator of an event of this magnitude. Have a drink on me.

::: Angus Solo Here :::: [/QUOTE]I feel sorry for me, too. But it's the nature of the beast and I could either ignore the boards or tell everyone I'm listening to their desires....most of the time. I saw how this same cycle took form during the first two years on another board and it corrupted the boards, but didn't corrupt the event. My goal is to bring the Message Boards back to football talk, but you can't even put facts on the boards without our individuals jumping on their bandwagon rantings. There's a time and a place for those suggestions later, but for now some folks need to justify why they won't be battling for the $100,000 this year. This is the forum to do it.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by SNAKE:
...KDS is preferred to Random...but why settle for second best when you can have the best (BBDS)?...and Greg, yes you do bring up some interesting and valid points to be sure, but really now you know as well as SNAKE that a system can never be "perfect", so please let's throw that idea out of the window...KDS has now been implemented and that is far from perfect as well (as a matter of fact further away from BBDS)...but if BBDS is indeed implemented there will be FEWER "excuses" pertaining to "he's in a harder league than I am" or "sure, he's winning because he drafted LT" or "blah, yada,blah, yada"...BBDS in it's plainest form, simply gives an owner MORE CONTROL OVER WHERE THEY DRAFT AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT (HAVING MORE CONTROL OVER DETERMINING YOUR OWN DRAFT SLOT AND DESTINY - hey that sounds eerily similiar to the less equitable and less fair concept of KDS, does it not?)...decide on deducting points instead of FA loot and in the immortal words of Marvin Gaye; let's get it on...what in God's name is wrong with that...on a different and more serious note, not that you seemingly need an excuse to have a drink or two, but SNAKE sincerely hopes that he was not the one to drive you to drink here today Greg...hehehe...SNAKE As the wicked witch of the West said in the Wizard of Oz, "all in good time, my little pretty, all in good time." These things need to be handled delicately (she said that too) and this grand novel concept can be tried in more satellite leagues, but not the main event. It's not without fault, but how could you or GG or anyone else see that now?

You're not serious about that drinking part, are you? You really are a funny little man after all.

Quahogs, this would be a perfect time for a Wizard of Oz photo, but of course that feature has been disabled. Nobody plays nice on these message boards anymore, including the porn spammers!

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
You came up with BBDS using FAAB dollars. Nobody wants that anymore. UYT is now the Godfather of BBDS using points. Thanks for trying. are you kidding? NO ONE has worked out the bugs with bidding points in a national league-based concept.

there are no bugs with using FAAB. it is the same concept as bidding dollars on free agents. if you think there are problems with bidding FAAB for draft slots, then you must have the same problems with FAAB for free agents.

thanks for trying? not sure you meant by that, other than maybe an attempt to poke me for throwing out the draft slot FACTS.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I've returned from my Happy Hour drink special at the Corner Bar and am looped enough to answer your rantings. i could see how having ~60% of your top 32 teams coming from only 3 draft slots could push you to drink. [/QUOTE]Why would that make me drink? Seriously, when you just look at total points, it's not hard to believe that teams with LT and LJ are faring well. The tight league races have me more excited than you are over the total points numbers. Carry on. Oh, and thanks.

I have this feeling that had you and Snake gotten one of those coveted top 3 spots this year, you would have each landed Alexander and found fault with that!! And in the condition you were in on Saturday morning for the draft, you might not have even picked LT or LJ if you had the first pick. Am I correct?

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by DOOMSDAY:
I do not see BBDS as being confusing and difficult to figure out for anyone. It is the same process as FAAB, which itself is probably new to players that have not been in these high stakes leagues. Instead of bidding on a free agent player each week you are bidding on a draft spot for one week. This may even turn out to help newbies understand FAAB.
GREAT POST! we need more intelligent posters like you. keep up the good work!!!

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
You came up with BBDS using FAAB dollars. Nobody wants that anymore. UYT is now the Godfather of BBDS using points. Thanks for trying. are you kidding? NO ONE has worked out the bugs with bidding points in a national league-based concept.

there are no bugs with using FAAB. it is the same concept as bidding dollars on free agents. if you think there are problems with bidding FAAB for draft slots, then you must have the same problems with FAAB for free agents.

thanks for trying? not sure you meant by that, other than maybe an attempt to poke me for throwing out the draft slot FACTS. [/QUOTE]Now you REALLY have been drinking your own Kool-Aid, my son. No issues with BBDS using FAAB? What happens if three guys bid $1,000 each for each of the first two picks? Then Tom and I pick names out of a hat, right? Pleeeaasssee, you need to get your facts straight. BBDS with FAAB has NOT been embraced by the masses and most people know that is not an ideal setup for the main event. It's time to agree with that.

BBDS using points makes more sense. But now you have guys asking to average out those points each week, which wouldn't make sense since we're asking this to even things out for the total points, not each week's matchups. There's another level of confusion, should we average these out each week or not? There are plenty of questions with these setups to answer before spewing out the "change it or I'm leaving it" mantra.

Thank for trying meant your idea wasn't accepted. UYT's concept was.

[TradeStar28]

Greg,

In 2004 & 2005, what draft positions did the $100,000 Champions pick from ?