NFFC Facts After Week 12
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Now, getting to renman's question about which round switch up...it is a good and fair question. Are we 100% sure it should be the third round? What about the 5th round? Let's hear some relevant thoughts.
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Route Collectors
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Originally posted by renman:
Wow, that was some interesting reading. I have to admit I am happy to see someone other than me (Greg) highlight that there is definately a "message board posse" (I called it a message board fraternity) that runs around this place with a mob mentality where they attack those who do not blindly follow their reckless ideas.
Renman....You have an open invitation to join the MB posse. All you have to do is hang around the MB in FEB/MAR/APR when only a few diehards are still talking. This is a great time for making friends rather than making points.
Besides...not all of the "posse" responds the way you mentioned above. GG is by far the biggest idea bully of the bunch but he's still a good guy and alot of fun on the MB. Snake is CRAZY..BWazz can't walk away from an arguement and I like to call you Rainman but this MB would be pretty dull without it's "characters" don't you agree!
Speaking of characters.....where are you Nag? One of our posse has been MIA for awhile. Anyway Renman...the "posse" welcomes you with open arms.
Just bring your thick skin and realize most of us are unstable FF freaks like you and this is all just a year round party for us!
Wow, that was some interesting reading. I have to admit I am happy to see someone other than me (Greg) highlight that there is definately a "message board posse" (I called it a message board fraternity) that runs around this place with a mob mentality where they attack those who do not blindly follow their reckless ideas.
Renman....You have an open invitation to join the MB posse. All you have to do is hang around the MB in FEB/MAR/APR when only a few diehards are still talking. This is a great time for making friends rather than making points.
Besides...not all of the "posse" responds the way you mentioned above. GG is by far the biggest idea bully of the bunch but he's still a good guy and alot of fun on the MB. Snake is CRAZY..BWazz can't walk away from an arguement and I like to call you Rainman but this MB would be pretty dull without it's "characters" don't you agree!
Speaking of characters.....where are you Nag? One of our posse has been MIA for awhile. Anyway Renman...the "posse" welcomes you with open arms.
Just bring your thick skin and realize most of us are unstable FF freaks like you and this is all just a year round party for us!
NFFC Facts After Week 12
Although I suspect 3RR/KDS is at least as good as the current system and probably better, I will make a last appeal for BBDS with points, understanding that in all probability it is falling on deaf ears (Greg's).
I have seen and heard the arguments that BBDS/points is much too complicated and that a CPA will be necessary to calculate scores and outcomes. Much like many proposed changes, people tend to exaggerate and add complexity that really doesn't exist to something they either don't agree with or are to "lazy" too try to understand.
I believe a system that allows you to bid a WEEKLY point amount deduction to procure your favored draft position, would be neither hard to understand nor difficult to explain.
For instance: A participant has the OPTION to bid a WEEKLY point deduction amount for any or all draft positions; for example a participant chooses to bid 6.5 points for draft position #1. If that participant was high bidder in their league for draft slot # 1, it would mean 6.5 points would be deducted each week from that team's total weekly score. So in week 1 if the team scored 146.7 points prior to the bid point deduction the team's FINAL score for week 1 would be 140.2 (146.7 - 6.5). This bid point deduction would be applicable for all intra-league games during weeks 1-13. This weekly bid point deduction will NOT be incurred during weeks 14-16 in determining Championship and Consolation Round Winners.
A participant may choose to place a bid on any or all draft slot positions. A participant's highest bid is considered first and to the extent he/she is high bidder on a draft slot they win that draft slot and his/her remaining bids are disregarded. A participant is NOT required to place a bid on any draft slot and will be randomly issued a draft slot, along with other participants who either didn't bid on a draft slot or didn't win any draft slot they placed a bid on. These random slots will be awarded based on the submitted KDS preferences. Any draft slot Bids that end in a tie, will be assigned by placing the names of the participants in a hat and the winning participant being drawn by the Contest Organizers. Bid Point Deductions may be made to a tenth of a point.
I believe, virtually ALL participants who choose to enter a National High Stakes FF Contest understand the VALUE of High Draft Slots and would very quickly understand , adapt and embrace a BBDS Point based system.
WOW, I feel better,... as you were...
I have seen and heard the arguments that BBDS/points is much too complicated and that a CPA will be necessary to calculate scores and outcomes. Much like many proposed changes, people tend to exaggerate and add complexity that really doesn't exist to something they either don't agree with or are to "lazy" too try to understand.
I believe a system that allows you to bid a WEEKLY point amount deduction to procure your favored draft position, would be neither hard to understand nor difficult to explain.
For instance: A participant has the OPTION to bid a WEEKLY point deduction amount for any or all draft positions; for example a participant chooses to bid 6.5 points for draft position #1. If that participant was high bidder in their league for draft slot # 1, it would mean 6.5 points would be deducted each week from that team's total weekly score. So in week 1 if the team scored 146.7 points prior to the bid point deduction the team's FINAL score for week 1 would be 140.2 (146.7 - 6.5). This bid point deduction would be applicable for all intra-league games during weeks 1-13. This weekly bid point deduction will NOT be incurred during weeks 14-16 in determining Championship and Consolation Round Winners.
A participant may choose to place a bid on any or all draft slot positions. A participant's highest bid is considered first and to the extent he/she is high bidder on a draft slot they win that draft slot and his/her remaining bids are disregarded. A participant is NOT required to place a bid on any draft slot and will be randomly issued a draft slot, along with other participants who either didn't bid on a draft slot or didn't win any draft slot they placed a bid on. These random slots will be awarded based on the submitted KDS preferences. Any draft slot Bids that end in a tie, will be assigned by placing the names of the participants in a hat and the winning participant being drawn by the Contest Organizers. Bid Point Deductions may be made to a tenth of a point.
I believe, virtually ALL participants who choose to enter a National High Stakes FF Contest understand the VALUE of High Draft Slots and would very quickly understand , adapt and embrace a BBDS Point based system.
WOW, I feel better,... as you were...
NFFC Facts After Week 12
Originally posted by renman:
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? Not nearly as hard as you constantly sucking up to Greg and Tom. And your hypocrisy in claiming you always want to "talk football" wears thin with post after post of non-football talk. You never fail to respons to Gekko on any and every issue, so stop shouting your innocence.
As to looking for approval from the message board mafia, I really could care less. You want football talk? How's this. BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot.
Lastly, Gekko did not invent BBDS. I believe Al Gore did, shortly after he finished the internet.
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? Not nearly as hard as you constantly sucking up to Greg and Tom. And your hypocrisy in claiming you always want to "talk football" wears thin with post after post of non-football talk. You never fail to respons to Gekko on any and every issue, so stop shouting your innocence.
As to looking for approval from the message board mafia, I really could care less. You want football talk? How's this. BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot.
Lastly, Gekko did not invent BBDS. I believe Al Gore did, shortly after he finished the internet.
You'll be fine long as your pretty face holds out, then it's gonna get pretty cold out...
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Route Collectors
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Now, getting to renman's question about which round switch up...it is a good and fair question. Are we 100% sure it should be the third round? What about the 5th round? Let's hear some relevant thoughts. Will this be the question that's impossible to answer? Renman brought up a relevant point about this being an unusual year with LT being sooooo dominant. Faulks crazy #'s lasted 2 years...same with Preist. How long will LT dominate like this?
Next year SA might stay healthy...throw in LJ and it looks very familiar to the start of 2006.
OK..back to the question and this is only a question as I haven't crunched any numbers.
Would the advantage be unfairly swung to the other end of the draft after 3 rounds if a monster year is not put up by a top 3 RB? If we need to account for that factor then would switching in the 5th make more sense. Thoughts?
Now, getting to renman's question about which round switch up...it is a good and fair question. Are we 100% sure it should be the third round? What about the 5th round? Let's hear some relevant thoughts. Will this be the question that's impossible to answer? Renman brought up a relevant point about this being an unusual year with LT being sooooo dominant. Faulks crazy #'s lasted 2 years...same with Preist. How long will LT dominate like this?
Next year SA might stay healthy...throw in LJ and it looks very familiar to the start of 2006.
OK..back to the question and this is only a question as I haven't crunched any numbers.
Would the advantage be unfairly swung to the other end of the draft after 3 rounds if a monster year is not put up by a top 3 RB? If we need to account for that factor then would switching in the 5th make more sense. Thoughts?
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Greg Ambrosius
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I just deleted one personal post from this thread and will continue doing that if you guys get off topic. Now I've started another thread to discuss the merits of 3RR/KDS. Take your jump ropes and please go to that playground.
Fourth round stuck out like a sore thumb to me too, James. Gekko is almost as sharp as me and caught that. But it brings up a good point: Is third round the right round to reverse this? Is fifth round better? I think most people will agree that the big difference makers are found in the third round, but please go to the other thread to prove that. Now carry on and realize that I will delete any personal posts that get off topic today.
Fourth round stuck out like a sore thumb to me too, James. Gekko is almost as sharp as me and caught that. But it brings up a good point: Is third round the right round to reverse this? Is fifth round better? I think most people will agree that the big difference makers are found in the third round, but please go to the other thread to prove that. Now carry on and realize that I will delete any personal posts that get off topic today.
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Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot. [/QUOTE]4D, you are correct with that assessment, but so does an auction league and we don't have the main event set up as an auction league for obvious reasons. BBDS works fine for individual leagues, but creating an equal overall contest makes BBDS very tough to implement, whether it be with points or FAAB. It could be done, but there are problems with that system.
3RR/KDS does help level the playing field, I think. But I may be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by renman:
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot. [/QUOTE]4D, you are correct with that assessment, but so does an auction league and we don't have the main event set up as an auction league for obvious reasons. BBDS works fine for individual leagues, but creating an equal overall contest makes BBDS very tough to implement, whether it be with points or FAAB. It could be done, but there are problems with that system.
3RR/KDS does help level the playing field, I think. But I may be wrong.
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Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Now, getting to renman's question about which round switch up...it is a good and fair question. Are we 100% sure it should be the third round? What about the 5th round? Let's hear some relevant thoughts. Will this be the question that's impossible to answer? Renman brought up a relevant point about this being an unusual year with LT being sooooo dominant. Faulks crazy #'s lasted 2 years...same with Preist. How long will LT dominate like this?
Next year SA might stay healthy...throw in LJ and it looks very familiar to the start of 2006.
OK..back to the question and this is only a question as I haven't crunched any numbers.
Would the advantage be unfairly swung to the other end of the draft after 3 rounds if a monster year is not put up by a top 3 RB? If we need to account for that factor then would switching in the 5th make more sense. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]Jeff, if we switched to 3RR/KDS next year, do you think 19 of the top 32 overall point leaders would come from 12, 13, 14? If so, then it would be a dramatic switch and one we'd have to evaluate. But I honestly don't think it would swing that far and in fact might even equalize things a bit. Thoughts?
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
Now, getting to renman's question about which round switch up...it is a good and fair question. Are we 100% sure it should be the third round? What about the 5th round? Let's hear some relevant thoughts. Will this be the question that's impossible to answer? Renman brought up a relevant point about this being an unusual year with LT being sooooo dominant. Faulks crazy #'s lasted 2 years...same with Preist. How long will LT dominate like this?
Next year SA might stay healthy...throw in LJ and it looks very familiar to the start of 2006.
OK..back to the question and this is only a question as I haven't crunched any numbers.
Would the advantage be unfairly swung to the other end of the draft after 3 rounds if a monster year is not put up by a top 3 RB? If we need to account for that factor then would switching in the 5th make more sense. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]Jeff, if we switched to 3RR/KDS next year, do you think 19 of the top 32 overall point leaders would come from 12, 13, 14? If so, then it would be a dramatic switch and one we'd have to evaluate. But I honestly don't think it would swing that far and in fact might even equalize things a bit. Thoughts?
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Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Wow, that was some interesting reading. I have to admit I am happy to see someone other than me (Greg) highlight that there is definately a "message board posse" (I called it a message board fraternity) that runs around this place with a mob mentality where they attack those who do not blindly follow their reckless ideas.
Renman....You have an open invitation to join the MB posse. All you have to do is hang around the MB in FEB/MAR/APR when only a few diehards are still talking. This is a great time for making friends rather than making points.
Besides...not all of the "posse" responds the way you mentioned above. GG is by far the biggest idea bully of the bunch but he's still a good guy and alot of fun on the MB. Snake is CRAZY..BWazz can't walk away from an arguement and I like to call you Rainman but this MB would be pretty dull without it's "characters" don't you agree!
Speaking of characters.....where are you Nag? One of our posse has been MIA for awhile. Anyway Renman...the "posse" welcomes you with open arms.
Just bring your thick skin and realize most of us are unstable FF freaks like you and this is all just a year round party for us! [/QUOTE]excellent summary vitamin C !
Q
quote:Originally posted by renman:
Wow, that was some interesting reading. I have to admit I am happy to see someone other than me (Greg) highlight that there is definately a "message board posse" (I called it a message board fraternity) that runs around this place with a mob mentality where they attack those who do not blindly follow their reckless ideas.
Renman....You have an open invitation to join the MB posse. All you have to do is hang around the MB in FEB/MAR/APR when only a few diehards are still talking. This is a great time for making friends rather than making points.
Besides...not all of the "posse" responds the way you mentioned above. GG is by far the biggest idea bully of the bunch but he's still a good guy and alot of fun on the MB. Snake is CRAZY..BWazz can't walk away from an arguement and I like to call you Rainman but this MB would be pretty dull without it's "characters" don't you agree!
Speaking of characters.....where are you Nag? One of our posse has been MIA for awhile. Anyway Renman...the "posse" welcomes you with open arms.
Just bring your thick skin and realize most of us are unstable FF freaks like you and this is all just a year round party for us!
[/QUOTE]excellent summary vitamin C ! Q
NFFC Facts After Week 12
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot. [/QUOTE]4D, you are correct with that assessment, but so does an auction league and we don't have the main event set up as an auction league for obvious reasons. BBDS works fine for individual leagues, but creating an equal overall contest makes BBDS very tough to implement, whether it be with points or FAAB. It could be done, but there are problems with that system.
3RR/KDS does help level the playing field, I think. But I may be wrong. [/QUOTE]Which is why I suggested expanding the bbds concept in a more manageable format. As time goes on it may be that a way to make it work in the big event presents itself, or not.
Auctions require far too much math.
quote:Originally posted by 4D:
quote:Originally posted by renman:
4D,
I see you are trying very hard to get some applause and acceptance from the message board fraternity by mocking me. I hope, for your sake, your efforts don't go unoticed...lol
Anyone care to talk about football or the NFFC? BBDS is being talked about as a way to overcome LT's great season or the dominance of the early picks. I think that's covering up what it really does - give some control to every owner over where they would like to draft. I don't care if LT is having a season for the ages. This should not be sold as the "even the playing field with LT" idea. Next year I may want to draft at 11, but right now I would have little say in it. I think you can win from any draft spot. But what's wrong with a system that allows someone to try and get the spot they want?
The difference between BBDS and 3RR is that 3RR looks to equalize the draft spots, while BBDS let's you have a say in your draft spot. [/QUOTE]4D, you are correct with that assessment, but so does an auction league and we don't have the main event set up as an auction league for obvious reasons. BBDS works fine for individual leagues, but creating an equal overall contest makes BBDS very tough to implement, whether it be with points or FAAB. It could be done, but there are problems with that system.
3RR/KDS does help level the playing field, I think. But I may be wrong. [/QUOTE]Which is why I suggested expanding the bbds concept in a more manageable format. As time goes on it may be that a way to make it work in the big event presents itself, or not.
Auctions require far too much math.
You'll be fine long as your pretty face holds out, then it's gonna get pretty cold out...