3RR, Socialized Fantasy Medicine?

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:41 am

Originally posted by Sound Advice:
Nag - To answer your question.
Yes the middle picks are the weakest.
3RR does not address that weakness. No, I disagree.

3RR CREATES weakness.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:26 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:
Not that anybody gives a $hit, but since everybody seems to jump on the "bash renman wagon" I just wanted to point out something. Renman was saying, in many years folks would rather have the last pick in the first round and the first pick in the 2nd, opposed to picking first in the first round and then LAST in the 2nd. Unless I can't read, he DIDN'T say, "people would rather pick at the end of the round first round instead of the beginning".

I know last year I preferred drafting from the end of the draft instead of the beginning, unless of course I received a top 2 pick. The same hold true for me in baseball. So yes, some folks do prefer the ends of the drafts. Hey Patrick...c'mon man. I know you're smart enough to add up the columns.

There is no MB posse..clique..or club...never has been. There are a solid group of people who stay active on the MB.

Renman cries foul almost weekly in his posts and alot of people (me included) tire of it.

Read his posts when someone simply disagrees with him...then you'll see who's condescending.

Nag takes alot of MB abuse...but not from me. I like him and think he is a smart guy that adds alot to the MB. So forget the conspiracy theory.
We all like who we like and dislike who we dislike.

Wanna know who I dislike?

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:31 am

Originally posted by Leroy's Aces:
In my opinion, many 1st year casual fantasy players with $1300-2000 to blow (the "dead money" people that so many players want to join) are frequently turned off by the many unique little quirky rules of the NFFC and the 14 team format.

I've seen this written by others. What I'd love to see is something factual to back it up.

I know you said it was only your opinion but others have said it more emphatically. Anyone have real facts to back this up?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:34 am

Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by Sound Advice:
Nag - To answer your question.
Yes the middle picks are the weakest.
3RR does not address that weakness. No, I disagree.

3RR CREATES weakness. [/QUOTE]Wow Alex. I'll go on record as saying I don't think that's the case, but I enjoy the opinions. We'll have to let the results determine this in the future as we already have three years of data from random selections. But 3RR weakens the draft order? I don't buy it.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:42 am

Originally posted by RiFF:
quote:Originally posted by Team Legacy:
BUT, 3RR doesn't stop there. Slot 14 also trades pick 43, which still has a nice selection of WR's and RB's available , for pick 56; which, imo, negates much of the advantage gained in the 29/42 swap.

But again, imo, that flexibilty in round 3 comes at a cost; having to swap pick 43 for pick 56. [/QUOTE]I agree. This is where 3RR could benefit a top pick. I personally like the #1 pick this year WITH 3RR versus witout it. Next year I might think differently.

Didn't Nag already say this?

[ February 15, 2007, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Route C ]

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:55 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by Sound Advice:
Nag - To answer your question.
Yes the middle picks are the weakest.
3RR does not address that weakness. No, I disagree.

3RR CREATES weakness. [/QUOTE]Wow Alex. I'll go on record as saying I don't think that's the case, but I enjoy the opinions. We'll have to let the results determine this in the future as we already have three years of data from random selections. But 3RR weakens the draft order? I don't buy it. [/QUOTE]How can you buy it when he thinks picks 4-14 are all rated as a "6"? That's utter nonsense.

I've already proven picks 4-8 have one less draft concern. A concern I remember someone posting on 8/31/06 on this MB.. (I laughed when i saw this because I've seen it in play all these years)

"TO ALL OWNERS DRAFTING FROM THE 4 - 14 SPOTS IN THE THREE CITIES:

DO NOT LET EITHER PEYTON MANNING OR ANTONIO GATES SLIP BACK TO ANY OWNER DRAFTING IN THE FIRST THREE SPOTS OF THE DRAFT OR IT WILL BE THE DEATH OF YOU AND THE DEATH OF US ALL. THANK YOU."

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:57 am

Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by RiFF:
quote:Originally posted by Team Legacy:
BUT, 3RR doesn't stop there. Slot 14 also trades pick 43, which still has a nice selection of WR's and RB's available , for pick 56; which, imo, negates much of the advantage gained in the 29/42 swap.

But again, imo, that flexibilty in round 3 comes at a cost; having to swap pick 43 for pick 56. [/QUOTE]I agree. This is where 3RR could benefit a top pick. I personally like the #1 pick this year WITH 3RR versus witout it. Next year I might think differently.

Didn't Nag already say this? [/QUOTE]Better that you "nail" the pick instead of it be handed to you.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:04 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Wow Alex. I'll go on record as saying I don't think that's the case, but I enjoy the opinions. We'll have to let the results determine this in the future as we already have three years of data from random selections. But 3RR weakens the draft order? I don't buy it. No, not the draft order, just the middle slots, specifically 7/8.

By the same logic and statistics which lead you to believe that 3RR will benefit the bottom slots, the middle slots remain uneffected. BUT, in remaining uneffected, they lose strength.
Without 3RR, slots 7/8 (along with the rest of the slots) have only one advantage to overcome - the top 3 picks. As a result of 3RR, slots 7/8 will now have to compete with the increased strength of the lower slots.

[ February 15, 2007, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Nag' ]

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:09 am

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
quote:Originally posted by RiFF:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Team Legacy:
[qb] [/QUOTE]Better that you "nail" the pick instead of it be handed to you.

[/QUOTE]Exactly John! This covers my screw up pick.

Nag' · Post by **Nag'** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:16 am

Originally posted by UFS:
How can you buy it when he thinks picks 4-14 are all rated as a "6"? That's utter nonsense. Dude, enough with your drivel. Open your eyes.

Stats from the top 30 point producers in each of the first 3 years of the NFFC:

2004 Top 4 picks - 8
Middle 6 picks - 12
Bottom 4 picks - 10

2005 Top 4 picks - 16
Middle 6 picks - 8
Bottom 4 picks - 6

2006 Top 4 picks - 17
Middle 6 picks - 6
Bottom 4 picks - 7

3-year Total Top 4 picks - 41
Middle 6 picks - 26
Bottom 4 picks - 23

[ February 15, 2007, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Nag' ]