NFL Lockout Thread

Old School · Post by **Old School** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:01 am

Greg

The owners are "squeezing" the players for more money???

The players are now asking for a % of sales tax collected (which goes to the GOVERNMENT not the owners?

The players are asking for a % of non NFL concert revenue from the stadiums?

Who's squeezing whom?

bust the union. i dont care anymore. i'm good with
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Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:31 am

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Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:48 am

Albert Breer reports that the two sides made "major strides" with the revenue split issue and optimism is "building a bit." So of course, the two sides stop negotiating early today and won't come back until Tuesday. Makes perfect sense. Why keep negotiating if things are progressing positively? After all, I think both sides clearly need to take some time off. They've been working so hard since the lockout began.

thegambler · Post by **thegambler** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:42 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
Albert Breer reports that the two sides made "major strides" with the revenue split issue and optimism is "building a bit." So of course, the two sides stop negotiating early today and won't come back until Tuesday. Makes perfect sense. Why keep negotiating if things are progressing positively? After all, I think both sides clearly need to take some time off. They've been working so hard since the lockout began. it seems everytime they take a break things go bad....wish they would just find a way to work this out.

both have to relize that niether are going to leave that table happy.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:17 am

Here's the latest from Albert Breer:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... _headlines

Erok · Post by **Erok** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:04 pm

One day it is great news, the lockout is about over!

The next day, it is all bad, sides are really far apart.

blah, blah, blah.

Like I said, once the NFL Network finishes its stupid Top 100 players piece on Sunday night, the labor dispute will get resolved next week one day because they will have nothing else to talk about. Mark my words:)

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:19 pm

I saw this tweet from NFL spokesman Greg Aiello this weekend and couldn't believe it: "NFL spokesman Greg Aiello made it clear Saturday that both sides plan to work through the holiday weekend.

"Are the NFL-NFLPA negotiators 'taking the weekend off?' Most definitely not. Lawyers are drafting language for potential agreement, sharing it with PA. All kinds of phone, email exchanges going on. Work continues."

Looks good. I know this is a roller-coaster ride for all of us, but hopefully Thursday night turned these in a positive direction and things will improve going forward. Here is Albert Breer's latest account on NFL.com, setting the stage for next week's meetings in New York City. Could we possibly get everything in place by the 8th and this thing approved by the courts by the 15th? That sure looks like the plan if all goes well next week. Here's the latest:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... _headlines

MINNEAPOLIS -- At 4 p.m. Thursday, the NFLPA conducted a conference call with its player reps and executive committee members that painted a grim picture as the labor situation made a turn for the worse.

Then everything changed.

As it turned out, the call, made after seven hours of negotiations at a downtown Minneapolis law firm, came less than halfway through the day's talks. And after those talks finished just before 1 a.m. CT and another set was staged on Friday morning, a different story was emerging.

The owners and players still have much work to do, but major progress was made to fix the revenue split, the overriding issue in the labor battle, on Thursday night and Friday morning. One source said that if smaller pieces connected to it don't shift the numbers too much, it "might not even be a stumbling block going forward."

In addition, the parties took strides to work out disagreements over how to define "all revenue" in the model they plan to use, and they also discarded some terms in the deal the other side found unacceptable.

So one set of critical talks now gives way to another. The legal teams for each side will meet in New York on Tuesday and Wednesday, with players and owners returning to the table Thursday and Friday. The format for the week follows the one set for this week's Minneapolis talks.

"We'll continue to meet next week, and our goal is to get a deal done," NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said on his way out. NFL general counsel Jeff Pash, again citing the gag order, simply said: "We'll be back at it again next week."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello made it clear Saturday that both sides plan to work through the holiday weekend.

"Are the NFL-NFLPA negotiators 'taking the weekend off?' Most definitely not," he tweeted. "Lawyers are drafting language for potential agreement, sharing it with PA. All kinds of phone, email exchanges going on. Work continues."

U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan proved a pivotal figure when things were at their darkest Thursday. Boylan was able to rein the parties in, narrow their focus to what was important on the revenue split, and forge a very productive evening.

This was after issues that arose last week in Massachusetts (over the rookie salary system) and Monday (over what the players perceived as a deception play by owners on the revenue system) resurfaced and again proved explosive, with players and owners re-entering the room after legal teams handled the earlier part of the week.

Things went so well Thursday that Boylan implored the sides to keep going past 1 a.m. The players and owners convinced the judge -- who ran court-ordered mediation in April and May, but has no binding power in these talks -- that they were spent, but the positive momentum continued into Friday morning.

And realistic hope remains that the league will be able to stage the preseason in its natural form, without the cancellation of any games, which would save hundreds of millions of dollars. Internal deadlines to have a deal done in order to save the preseason sit around July 15, and part of the ratcheted-up sense of urgency is the acknowledgement by both sides that a settlement will be exponentially tougher to reach if significant revenue is subtracted from the equation.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell led a group that included Patriots owner Robert Kraft, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Giants owner John Mara, and Chiefs owner Clark Hunt, with Kraft and Mara the two constants for the owners in the five sets of clandestine meetings.

Smith's team included NFLPA managing director Ira Fishman, outside counsel Jim Quinn, general counsel Richard Berthelsen, Colts center Jeff Saturday, Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth, Chiefs guard Brian Waters, and former player Sean Morey. Foxworth, like Kraft and Mara, has been a constant presence at these meetings, which started May 31, over the last five weeks.

The four previous "secret" sessions over the past month took place in suburban Chicago, New York's Long Island, Maryland's Eastern Shore and Massachusetts' South Shore. The Chicago talks, the first in the series, started May 31 and lasted three days, with the Long Island, Eastern Shore and South Shore negotiations going for two days apiece.

The St. Louis Rams and Chicago Bears, this year's Hall of Fame Game participants, are scheduled to open training camp in 21 days, so time is beginning to run short.

The parties have spent the past four weeks largely discussing the revenue split. And it's not just the revenue now, but also how to account for the league's future growth, particularly when the 2014 television deals are done, in the players' take. The idea of an "all revenue" model, which would largely eliminate cost credits to the owners and limit revenue projections, has bridged differences over the course of the discussions.

As for the rookie salary system, the numbers aren't the only issue. Finding a way to replace the market effect those contracts have on veterans as well as getting high draft picks to free agency quicker are among the players' concerns. As it stands, six-year contracts are allowed for high first-round picks making big money.

Goodell was invited to the symposium by Smith, who said he was "thrilled" the commissioner accepted and participated. The men stood side by side after the visit Wednesday morning to Florida.

Goodell and Smith, who arrived in Minneapolis on Monday, took a break from talks Tuesday night to fly together to Sarasota, Fla., and speak to assembled players at the NFLPA's rookie symposium the next morning. They returned to Minneapolis on the same plane.

Goodell was invited to the symposium by Smith, who said he was "thrilled" the commissioner accepted and participated. The men stood side by side after the event Wednesday morning and vowed to continue working on a deal.

[ July 03, 2011, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Erok · Post by **Erok** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:40 am

Ok, I am calling BS on all these reports.

You know what I know think......reading between the lines on all these reports and comments by players,etc.....

I think a deal has already been agreed upon. I think they agreed on it last week. I just think they have to dot their i's and cross their t's over the next few days and that the deal will be announced this week.......right after the Top 100 Players piece wrapped up. Just like I said:)

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:55 am

Originally posted by W. Klown:
Ok, I am calling BS on all these reports.

You know what I know think......reading between the lines on all these reports and comments by players,etc.....

I think a deal has already been agreed upon. I think they agreed on it last week. I just think they have to dot their i's and cross their t's over the next few days and that the deal will be announced this week.......right after the Top 100 Players piece wrapped up. Just like I said:) Erik, I've been reading your predictions and I hate to disagree with you, but I think you're wrong!! Sorry. NFL.com and the NFL Network both are losing lots of money because of the lockout down, with advertising revenue reduced on both sites and traffic way down. The commissioner even made note of that in April before the draft that traffic on NFL.com had been greatly reduced. I don't think the Top 100 is compensating for the greatly reduced traffic on the NFL Network or NFL.com.

It has to be done by this Friday in order to get the courts to approve this by July 15th. Reports are that it will take the courts a week to read through the CBA and approve it. I suppose this could drag out until the 15th and be approved by the 22nd, but that would cut into the free agent signing period. We'll see, but I would have to say that this Friday is D-Day for the owners and players. Let's hope it becomes V-Day.