Playoff System Protest

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:19 pm

Originally posted by thegambler:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by thegambler:

i also have been playing fantasy football for a very long time and a playoff system should be in every league. it gives more teams a chance towards the end of the year. it gives the team that started out slow but now is scoring a chance to make the playoffs with points. 4 team playoff means more teams in the hunt till the end.
4 teams in the hunt can also mean that the team who dominated has one bad week or plays the team who has a career week, and barely gets rewarded for their success ALL SEASON.

Add in the WCOFF (well was) and FFPC are only for 11 weeks, and this is a reason you stated you didn't like, as teams with slow starts do get 2 extra weeks to try and get in the playoffs.

Everytime I hear this "we need to get more teams in" mantra, it reminds me of Meet The Fockers.....

JACK BURNS: "I didn't realize they gave out 9th place ribbons"..

FOCKER'S DAD: Oh sure, they make them up to (can't remember 10th or 15th?) place".

If you want more teams in, the FFPC is the place to play (and for the record I like their game very much, with the exception of their playoff format and 11 week season), but if you want it so you are rewarded for your "body of work" over 13 weeks AND possibly more, the NFFC is the place to play. [/QUOTE]i want to play here. i will be playing here. just wanted to give my opinion on the playoff thing.

don't understand why adding more teams to the nffc is a bad thing. it brings in more money and bigger prizes along with a lot of dead money players. so the skilled guys will still win the majority of the time. you saying if i want more teams i should play over at the ffpc is a odd comment. so players here don't want/like more money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt43xtWe ... re=related [/QUOTE]Not sure I am following you.

How does adding more teams in the playoffs bring in MORE money and players???

If you like a 4 team playoff with 11 week regular season, play FFPC.

If you like a 2-3 team playoff with 13 week regular season, play NFFC.

If you like both.....play BOTH.

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:05 pm

Billy brings up a very good point. There's no need to make every contest the same. I like that there are different contests with different formats and different rules. There are options for every player and every preference.

Rog · Post by **Rog** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:47 pm

I personally love the nffc playoff set-up (oc).The team with the best record gets rewarded along with the team who drafted the best team but seemed to run into a buzz saw every week.I could see why you would want a playoff if (Good example would be the teams that drafted arian foster might of had a bad few weeks and now are dying to get into any type of playoff.)I personally like the playoff (head to head)system for my local leagues but have no desire to be involved in 1 in the nffc.Head to head brings more luck than anything.(playoff players get sat,1 injury can completely destroy a good team,and let some lucky team win it all during the championship week.)

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:34 pm

The Diesel Diehard Draft seems to be in order again? This draft was a live individual league with a snake type draft order like the main event, with the playoff format of the nffc auctions. The best of both worlds. You wouldn't play for $50k-$100k, but you'd get your fix of fantasy the way you like it.

We did this a few years ago and used the draft room in NYC after the other drafts were done. Quahogs is the reigning champion.

renman · Post by **renman** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:19 am

Originally posted by TR:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
I am 7-3 in the classic, second in record in my league and have almost zero chance to cash in my league. I personally like the NFFC playoff format. I like the balance between H2H (that does have a luck component but creates a ton of fun) and total points. Every year we have people who get frustrated with the NFFC because the stakes are so high.

I am not a big fan of watering down the value of the regular season and turning who wins and loses into more of a crap shoot. Look at what MLB has done. They used to have a regular season that filtered out the weaker teams and left the cream of the crop to play for the championships.

Now, with watered down regular seasons, wild cards (talk of more wild cards) you end up with a situation like this year where a team like the Cardinals, who based on the history of baseball, didn't even deserve to be in the playoffs, simply get hot and run over the teams who played best all year.

I understand the ULTIMATE winner of the top prizes in the NFFC is the team who got hot during the playoffs... but that team should be among teams who deserved to be there via regular season excellence. The Cards absolutely deserved to be in playoffs...just as the packers did in NFL [/QUOTE]They deserved to be in the playoffs IF YOU SUPPORT watered down playoffs. Listen, I am a Cards fan. I love that organization and their fans. They are an easy team to root for and certainly performed amazing down the stretch of the season (to sneak into the playoffs thanks to the new rules) and then played great in the post season.

I am using them as an example to a bigger point. I think we need to be careful with how we determine who makes the post season in NFFC leagues.

Again, this is coming from someone who is in 2nd place (alone) in the classic and has zero chance to make the playoffs or a dime in this league. I have come in 3rd-5th countless times in NFFC leagues and cashed for nothing.

renman · Post by **renman** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:21 am

Originally posted by thegambler:
quote:Originally posted by Renman:
I understand the ULTIMATE winner of the top prizes in the NFFC is the team who got hot during the playoffs... but that team should be among teams who deserved to be there via regular season excellence. you just gave the great example of how the best team doesn't always win. most of the time when it comes down to the 3 week sprint (champioship playoffs) the best regular season team, i bet, rarely wins it all. [/QUOTE]Gambler,

I am not sure anyone said the best regular season team always win or should always win. Even in my original post I clearly said that the team who gets hottest in the three week sprint takes down the top prizes. But the pool of teams who are eligible to accomplish that should be limited to teams who showed consistent excellence during the regular season in my opinion. Where to draw that line is debatable.

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:36 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by thegambler:
i came over here from wcoff with a few guys and all of them, unfortunately, are going to move over to the ffpc next year just because of the plyoff system or better yet non-playoff system here. That's disappointing to hear if true. We do believe we have a strong format in place but we definitely want to hear what everyone thinks about whether we should make any changes. The playoff format question is one we are paying particular attention to since we know there are a lot of former WCOFF players who really like that format.

That's one of the reasons why we sent out a survey to our first-time participants. We want to get your feedback about everything we offer, including the format. Based on the early returns of the survey it appears our first-year players prefer the format we have in place. That doesn't mean we've locked into anything for 2012 but that's what the data has told us so far.

Here are the results from our survey with regard to the playoff and regular season format questions:

Q: Do you like the NFFC's 13-week regular season better than an 11-week regular season?
Yes 82%
No 18%

Q: Would you rather have head-to-head league playoff games in weeks 12 and 13?
Yes 45%
No 55%

Q: If given a choice in the 12-team format, would you rather have the current NFFC setup or the WCOFF league setup?
WCOFF 41%
NFFC 59% [/QUOTE]

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:41 am

Tom,

Lets be perfectly clear about the language used:

First, the NFFC does NOT have a playoff system!

Second, the NFFC has a Points Chase INSTEAD of a playoff system.

Third, one does not exclude the other. You can have a Points Chase at the same time you have a playoff.

Please consider conducting the survey again asking if your customers would want a playoff system, a points chase, or a simultaneous playoff and points chase championship event.

Thanks! Cheers!

wayne123 · Post by **wayne123** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:44 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Blue_Foot:
Well, my team won again this week and I am now 3rd in total points in my league and 4th in record. I cannot catch the points or the record for a Championship Points Chase birth. Bummer. But, I could still dramatically effect who makes the Championship Points Chase. I really think the NFFC needs a playoff system. Is it time to make a point about competition by throwing a key game? I have always tried hard in every game regardless of the quality of my team. But, I continue to be disappointed that the NFFC refuses to adopt a reasonable playoff system that better mirrors the actual sport that we all follow so closely. Opinions? Let me have it...I may deserve it...really on the fence about this one. On the one hand, the NFFC needs a playoff. But, on the other hand, I knew the rules when I signed up and the NFFC is still the best thing going despite this obvious shortcoming. I hate it....but I think throwing the game and effecting the outcome of my league may be my only real voice. Help! Jodicus, this is a fair debate about a 4-team h2h playoff in Weeks 12 and 13 vs. rewarding the two best Primetime teams through 13 weeks. We've had several threads on this subject already and we've asked this question in a survey to new members already. We can ask all current players that same question in our next survey and I'll gladly do that.

In your case, right now your team is 112th out of 360 teams overall in total points. You are 6-4 in your league (tied for 3rd with two other teams) and 3rd in total points, 70 points behind the second place team. The first place team is 8-2 but 5th in total points and the total points leader is 6-4, one game behind the 7-3 team who is second in total points. So you face an uphill battle, but heading into Week 11 you are definitely in the playoff hunt. You are two wins behind a team that has fewer points than you (no guarantee that team makes the playoffs) and 70 points out of a total points playoff spot. You're still in the mix both ways with three weeks to go.

In your proposed scenario of the regular season ending after Week 11, you are 1.05 points ahead of the 4th place team and 12.35 points ahead the 5th place team and thus still could face playoff elimination if you were outscored here. Then your season would be done after Week 11 even with four teams advancing to a h2h playoff format.

In these leagues which are so close, good teams don't make the top 2 or even top 4. It's hard to have the perfect scenario for everyone and in your case both scenarios could work in your favor and both could go against you. This week would determine that for you in both playoff scenarios.

Our goal has always been to reward the BEST TEAMS in each league. We believe a 13-week regular season does that, rewarding one h2h champ and then the total points teams. A one week playoff for most of the money seems to invite more of the luck factor than skill factor in our view, but again we may not be right. Maybe you are right that more of the luck factor would be better. I'll listen to the feedback from all of you and I appreciate it. Both playoff formats are great, but in the end we all want the BEST TEAMS to win the most money. That makes sense to all of us, right? [/QUOTE]

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 am

Originally posted by Blue_Foot:
Tom,

Lets be perfectly clear about the language used:

First, the NFFC does NOT have a playoff system!

Jodicus, I'm well aware that we do not have that format. That is why we asked our first-time players if they preferred to have that format as opposed to what we offered. Based on the survey data to date, the results were clear in the majority of our first-time players saying they prefer the format we have in place.

As I said before, this won't be our final survey so people will have at least one more opportunity to provide us with feedback about we offer.