Would You Be In Favor Of Ranking Your Draft Spots?

The Next Big Thing · Post by **The Next Big Thing** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:51 pm

I don't know what all the complaining is about. I do not feel cheated at all. I...do to nothing but blind luck recived the #10 pick in the draft. I then proceeded to take the best available running back like most top players would.

I felt lucky i got my hands on a stud like duce mcalaster.

I feel sorry for the so called "lucky guys" who had to suffer with the first 2 picks. Those guys are stuck with such stiffs as L.T. and shawn Alexander.

Amazingly enough, the #1 pick "team warchild" is first in points and #1 in the league.

Me? i have the same record, but now no longer have to deal with that mcalaster guy...What a relief, i mean i could have got the first pick on nothing but "blind luck"...and had to deal with L.T. on my squad all season...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:07 pm

Originally posted by Z-Men:
There's talk of how bidding for draft slots would be a lot of work for you guys. Couldn't you guys use the commissioner software to process the blind bidding for you? That's been my thought on this all along. It's just like us bidding on free agents each week of the season only you would add one more week's worth bidding before the season started, and you'd have to add draft slots to the bidding list. -z- yes - everything will be done on-line. i'll have the "proposal" ready by friday

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:28 am

Originally posted by Z-Men:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
. ...but I think it is A LOT more work (for the people calculating - Tom and Greg) than the people who want it so badly are leading on. I wouldn't mind giving it a shot though! Greg and Tom,

There's talk of how bidding for draft slots would be a lot of work for you guys. Couldn't you guys use the commissioner software to process the blind bidding for you? That's been my thought on this all along. It's just like us bidding on free agents each week of the season only you would add one more week's worth bidding before the season started, and you'd have to add draft slots to the bidding list. -z- [/QUOTE]It would NOT be all that much more work for us and in fact I'm always looking for more work for Tom.

That isn't the reason we would shy away from the draft slot bidding idea. The two reasons we wouldn't do that method would be: 1) The possibility of not attracting new owners; and 2) The concept of using FAAB for draft slots rather than free agents. Remember, some leagues may have crazy owners who spend wildly for draft spots, allowing other owners to accumulate all of the good free agent pickups. That might tip the scales towards a few teams in the overall contest because not everyone was playing from the same level of competition. Using in-season FAAB for draft slots does have that drawback, which nobody has brought up yet.

Dabigu · Post by **Dabigu** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:59 am

I think someone investing $1250 or more is really not a newbie to the game and has played under many different sets of rules for drafting and scoring, so i do not think you will be scaring anyone away. Yes, they might struggle in their first year like most will until they get use to how things are done. I think in both baseball and football, I drafted very well, but struggled with injuries and selecting the right dollar amounts for FA bidding, it was a learning experience and should make me alot more competitive next year, no matter how we do the draft slots or anything else

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:37 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
The concept of using FAAB for draft slots rather than free agents. Remember, some leagues may have crazy owners who spend wildly for draft spots, allowing other owners to accumulate all of the good free agent pickups. That might tip the scales towards a few teams in the overall contest because not everyone was playing from the same level of competition. Using in-season FAAB for draft slots does have that drawback, which nobody has brought up yet. I actually thought of this yesterday, Greg. However, there exists an excellent counter-argument: the weekly FAAB process is subject to the same wild bidding you are describing here, letting the owners who are more "cautious" with their funds scoop up the good players.

I'm still trying to figure out why, as some owners have noted, the Kentucky Derby style is more unfair than the current system. Doesn't make sense to me.

renman · Post by **renman** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:40 am

route C/ KJ duke,

i brought 3 new people into this years NFFC and tried to bring many more. the main thing that stopped most of those i talked to was the following...

"i am not sure i want to spend that much money for an event against top fantasy players with all the complex rules and stuff that i am not used to. i do not want to donate my money for a few years just to learn things experienced players already know..."

so it is an issue for some prospective NFFC players...

gekko...

you keep talking about how the derby style is not "fair"... would you say it is significantly better then the current completely random system? because with the derby system the guy who gets picked 14th is likely to get his 4th-8th favorite draft position as those who were taken before him will have taken all kind of spots all over the grid... where as without the derby style system he is automatically 14th end of story... you also never responded to my answering the question you asked me specifically....

greg...

thats a great point about the FAAB issue. some leagues will have owners will huge advantages in FAAB dollars and thus can have an advantage in their own league with free agent pickups, which would effect the integrity of the main event chase for the big prize... good point...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:25 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
The concept of using FAAB for draft slots rather than free agents. Remember, some leagues may have crazy owners who spend wildly for draft spots, allowing other owners to accumulate all of the good free agent pickups. That might tip the scales towards a few teams in the overall contest because not everyone was playing from the same level of competition. Using in-season FAAB for draft slots does have that drawback, which nobody has brought up yet. I actually thought of this yesterday, Greg. However, there exists an excellent counter-argument: the weekly FAAB process is subject to the same wild bidding you are describing here, letting the owners who are more "cautious" with their funds scoop up the good players.

I'm still trying to figure out why, as some owners have noted, the Kentucky Derby style is more unfair than the current system. Doesn't make sense to me. [/QUOTE]No question about it and as I said on the NFBC site, I don't see this as being a big problem in football as FAAB is used over 13 weeks compared to 26 weeks in baseball. I don't think draft slot bidding is needed in baseball or would be good for the event. It makes more sense for football if it is going to be used anywhere. And you are right, we found out last year that owners who spent their FAAB money early on Lamar Gordon and other early free agents failed to pick up the likes of Reuben Droughns and Derrick Blaylock later on.

The Kentucky Derby Style format isn't perfect and it does reward owners who get the early preferences, but in our current setup they would be rewarded with top picks anyway. I think that setup allows more owners to get spots that they'd want moreso than any other system, including draft slot bidding. Remember, those are blind bids and anything can happen.

No setup is perfect, but I'm almost in the mindset that there is a better method for a high-stakes contest other than random selections for every draft spot and the time is right to introduce it. Now I need to figure out what it is.

[ October 11, 2005, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:54 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
No setup is perfect, but I'm almost in the mindset that there is a better method for a high-stakes contest other than random selections for every draft spot and the time is right to introduce it. Now I need to figure out what it is. it all boils down to how to allocate resources...

If blind bidding is ok for the allocation of weekly free agents, it’s good enough for the allocation of draft slots. Let the market decide.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:56 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
The Kentucky Derby Style format isn't perfect and it does reward owners who get the early preferences, but in our current setup they would be rewarded with top picks anyway. I think that setup allows more owners to get spots that they'd want moreso than any other system, including draft slot bidding. Remember, those are blind bids and anything can happen. i don't buy it. why not use the KD method for determing which owners get weekly FA's?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:17 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
The Kentucky Derby Style format isn't perfect and it does reward owners who get the early preferences, but in our current setup they would be rewarded with top picks anyway. I think that setup allows more owners to get spots that they'd want moreso than any other system, including draft slot bidding. Remember, those are blind bids and anything can happen. i don't buy it. why not use the KD method for determing which owners get weekly FA's? [/QUOTE]We don't use the KD method for free agents because FAAB is unquestionably the best way to fairly acquire free agents. Everyone starts with the same amount and can spend that amount over 13 weeks. Everyone has a fair shot at the free agents.

Obviously, if you just concentrate on giving everyone the same shot at any draft spot, draft slot bidding is the way to do it. But there are more causes and effects after that because you are using FAAB money to determine those draft slots and that affects the in-season game management. But you are correct, some owners will spend their FAAB early on free agents and thus this is just one other strategy for owners.

Hey, as mentioned on the other boards, how do you determine ties if everyone bids the same for No. 1? Random drawing again?