NY vs Chicago Grudge Match Update

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:53 pm

Originally posted by Diesel:
Round 1

1-Ken Magner (ny)-------Sean Alexander
2-Don Thompson (chic)---Larry Johnson
3-Mike Ferre (chic)-----L.Tomlinson
4-Johnny Frisella (ny)--Edge James
5-Steven Jupinka (ny)---Tiki Barber
6-Joe Steger (chic)-----L.Jordan
7-Mike Welp (chic)------C.Portis
8-Glenn Schroter (ny)---Rudi Johnson
9-Marc Quitsch (ny)-----Jason Elam
10-Rich Hart (chic)-----Steve Smith
11-Jeff Clampitt (chic)-S.Jackson
12-Michael Davis (ny)---B.Westrook
13-Eddie Gillis (ny)----J.Jones
14-Billy Waz (chic)----D.Davis

Round 2

14- Billy Waz (chic)---- W. McGahee
13- Eddie Gillis (ny)--- T.Holt
12- Michael Davis (ny)---C.Williams
11- Jeff Clampitt(chic)--Denver RB(whoever)
10- Rich Hart (chic)-----Chicago RB (whoever)
9- Marc Quitsch (ny)----Chicago Defense
8- Glenn Schroter(ny)---Warrick Dunn
7- Mike Welp (chic)-----Reuben Droughns
6- Joe Steger(chic)-----Duce McCallister
5- Stephen Jupinka(ny)--Chris Brown
4- Johnny Frisella(ny)--Kevin Jones
3- Mike Ferre (ny)------Ronnie Brown
2- Don Thompson(chic)---Priest Holmes
1- Ken Magner(ny)-------Willie Parker

Forgive me for some guys being a little jumbled, but it is Superbowl Sunday...lol I know you were in a rush Diesel, but I can't see C.Johnson, M.Harrison, AND L.Fitzgerald all lasting until the 3rd round!!!!

Priest in the 2nd is a ballsy call! (Although I agree it will be interesting to see where he does go!)

P.S. Where is Corey Dillon????

[ February 05, 2006, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:48 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by SNAKE:
SNAKE just got on to post and saw TamuRicks post and will simply echo it and then some...SNAKE has no stake in this Super Bowl as far as the two teams are concerned, but the one lasting memory of the game will be the absolutely HIDEOUS job done by the officials...looking at this game completely objectively, Seattle certainly did everything to lose this game on their own BUT they still could've been right there to win this thing if the zebras stripes weren't colored black and gold this evening...SNAKE Other than the offensive pass interference call on Darrell Jackson, you really don't have a beef IMO.

Honestly, what else are you "reaching" for? [/QUOTE]First off Billy congrats on the victory. I think Pittsburg deserved to win because they found a way to get the "crucial" plays made and Seattle blew almost every good opportunity they had tonight.

That much aside I will echo loudly the sentiments of this poorly officiated game. The call on DJax was obvious to all. I'm OK with the Roethlisberger TD although I though he was short.
The TD signal wasn't given until he stretched the ball over the goal line (strange) but it was close enough to let it stand.

I will say that Seattle outplayed the black and gold all night but got beat in some critical elements of the game:
1) Coaching
2) Big plays
3) Clock management
4) Officiating

I'll address a few things related to #4 that were all terrible calls -other than DJAX

1) The personal foul called on Hasselbeck for going low on a tackle following his interception (only illegal for blocking - not tackling)
2) The phantom holding call (on #75 I think) that took away a 1st and goal at the 2 and led to the afore mentioned interception. GAME CHANGER!
3) At least 2 obvious times that Grant Wistrom was held with no call.
4) Seattle 7/70 Pittsburg 3/20 penalties.

I had nothing riding on this game either so I think my view is pretty objective.

All in all - a bad game with an even worse halftime show. I'm glad that Bettis got to go out in style. Unlike Mick, he knows when to hang it up. :rolleyes:

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:02 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
quote:Originally posted by Diesel:
Round 1

1-Ken Magner (ny)-------Sean Alexander
2-Don Thompson (chic)---Larry Johnson
3-Mike Ferre (chic)-----L.Tomlinson
4-Johnny Frisella (ny)--Edge James
5-Steven Jupinka (ny)---Tiki Barber
6-Joe Steger (chic)-----L.Jordan
7-Mike Welp (chic)------C.Portis
8-Glenn Schroter (ny)---Rudi Johnson
9-Marc Quitsch (ny)-----Jason Elam
10-Rich Hart (chic)-----Steve Smith
11-Jeff Clampitt (chic)-S.Jackson
12-Michael Davis (ny)---B.Westrook
13-Eddie Gillis (ny)----J.Jones
14-Billy Waz (chic)----D.Davis

Round 2

14- Billy Waz (chic)---- W. McGahee
13- Eddie Gillis (ny)--- T.Holt
12- Michael Davis (ny)---C.Williams
11- Jeff Clampitt(chic)--Denver RB(whoever)
10- Rich Hart (chic)-----Chicago RB (whoever)
9- Marc Quitsch (ny)----Chicago Defense
8- Glenn Schroter(ny)---Warrick Dunn
7- Mike Welp (chic)-----Reuben Droughns
6- Joe Steger(chic)-----Duce McCallister
5- Stephen Jupinka(ny)--Chris Brown
4- Johnny Frisella(ny)--Kevin Jones
3- Mike Ferre (ny)------Ronnie Brown
2- Don Thompson(chic)---Priest Holmes
1- Ken Magner(ny)-------Willie Parker

Forgive me for some guys being a little jumbled, but it is Superbowl Sunday...lol I know you were in a rush Diesel, but I can't see C.Johnson, M.Harrison, AND L.Fitzgerald all lasting until the 3rd round!!!!

Priest in the 2nd is a ballsy call! (Although I agree it will be interesting to see where he does go!)

P.S. Where is Corey Dillon???? [/QUOTE]You might be able to take the Kevin Jones pick and switch that with Dillon. K. Jones just wasn't the same player this year. My opinion is he must have been on Roids in 2004. There's no other logical explanation for how bad he was.

Chad Johnson may go in the 2nd, but Marvin's age isn't helping his value, and I don't see him going anywhere until round 3...And IMHO, as long as Boldin is around, Fitzgerald will be a 3rd rounder too...

To back up LJ with a healthy Priest might be a good call. It wasn't really my pick, so it was easy for me to make that decision for Don Thompson.

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:02 pm

[/QUOTE]First off Billy congrats on the victory. I think Pittsburg deserved to win because they found a way to get the "crucial" plays made and Seattle blew almost every good opportunity they had tonight.

I will say that Seattle outplayed the black and gold all night but got beat in some critical elements of the game:
1) Coaching
2) Big plays
3) Clock management
4) Officiating

I'll address a few things related to #4 that were all terrible calls -other than DJAX

1) The personal foul called on Hasselbeck for going low on a tackle following his interception (only illegal for blocking - not tackling)
2) The phantom holding call (on #75 I think) that took away a 1st and goal at the 2 and led to the afore mentioned interception. GAME CHANGER!
3) At least 2 obvious times that Grant Wistrom was held with no call.
4) Seattle 7/70 Pittsburg 3/20 penalties.

I had nothing riding on this game either so I think my view is pretty objective.

All in all - a bad game with an even worse halftime show. I'm glad that Bettis got to go out in style. Unlike Mick, he knows when to hang it up. :rolleyes: [/QB][/quote]

Thanks for the congratulations RC!

I will admit that Pittsburgh looked HORRIBLE in the first half, and was VERY lucky to be winning the game. That being said, I do agree that Holmgren got outcoached last night. At the end of the half when he was throwing deep when he all he needed was 10 yards (and the slants and outs were working the ENTIRE 1st half for Seattle!) for his kicker was terrible!

Unless I missed it, I do believe Holgren didn't even congratulate Cowher after the game. I have never liked Holmgren all that much, and if this did happen, I respect him even less now!

As far as the calls you mentioned;

1) I can agree with you on this (was that the drive when Pittsburgh scored? I can't remember?)

2) I can't remember (Super Bowl party here... a little alcohol and VERY loud makes the details a bit "fuzzy"

) the #, but I thought he CLEARLY tried to pull him down from behind, and he was only a step away when Hasselbeck released the ball.

3) Never really noticed this, but I did have my "black and gold" glasses on!

4) 3 and 7 isn't THAT much of a difference IMO.

What killed Seattle is they did not make BIG plays, and Pittsburgh did. Seattle could have really put Pittsburgh in a bind early, but they just didn't capitalize.

Everyone can say what they want, but when you hold an offense like the Seahawks (a lot of that Holmgren's fault) to 10 points, you do deserve to win.

Steeler offense wasn't pretty last night, but the Randle El to Ward TD is something I will NEVER forget!

I'll be telling the grandkids about that one!

TamuScarecrow · Post by **TamuScarecrow** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:38 am

Roethlisberger's run WAS a TD by rule, as the call on the field WAS a TD, and there is nothing in the replay that disputed it. It was VERY close, and if it would not have been called a TD originally, I'll bet it would have stood also.Right on on this one, Billy. No disputable evidence to overturn which meant there was no evidence it was a TD. The only view that proved this was the head-on shot where Ben dove, Lewis hit him before the goalline, and he went straight down, later reaching for the goalline after he hit the ground because he knew he was short. Granted, 99 times out of 100 he is going to get in on 4th and inches, but it's sad when the officiating in a Super Bowl overshadows the game itself. I'm happy for Steeler fans but don't go telling me how great your team is because they got their a**es kicked last night and got bailed out by the officials and Josh Brown.

One thing is certain, after the number of balls Jeremy Stevens dropped, I don't think he will be heard from any time soon. And did Joey Porter play last night? I don't remember seeing him but if he did play, he did a great job of staying invisible.

Route Collectors · Post by **Route Collectors** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:36 am

Oh yeah, speaking of Porter....why didn't they call the horse collar tackle he made on Alexander on an outside run to the left in the 4th quarter? I hate that rule anyway as it was rare that I saw them make the call all season.

Steelers defense didn't look as good as the Hawks IMO. I thought they played ultra-conservative. Did they even blitz in the first half? Take away the Ward reverse (18 yards), Parker TD run (75 yards) and Randel El TD pass and Pittsburg looked horrible compared to how they've looked in the playoffs thus far.

They couldn't run the ball all night, Roethlisberger wasn't sharp at all, zero 1st downs in the 1st quarter and yet they still found a way to win. I'm happy for Cowhler and Billy's right about Holmgren being an arrogant jerk. I never liked him in GB either.

At least Seattle has a legit shot to get back again next year. I'd be very surprised if Pittsburg even makes the playoffs in 2006. They won't have the Bettis motivation and the AFC is too loaded with talent. The only way they get in is if they win their division. Alot of that depends on the return of C.Palmer next season.

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:10 am

I'm certainly not "tooting my horn" as a Steeler fan, as their first half was one of the worst I have seen this year, and yet they were SOMEHOW still winning.

Pittsburgh DID however make big plays, and they certainly won the coaching battle. There were some "iffy" calls (the D-Jax pass interference WAS bad), but I think the way Holmgren managed this game was FAR worse.

Certainly not a GOOD officiated game, but I honestly believe if they played 10 times, the Steelers would win 8 of them. Neither team brought their "A" game, but Pittsburgh had the bigger plays, and that is ultimately what won the game IMO.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:41 am

I'm hoping everyone takes the wrong one...