Originally posted by Sound Advice:
Total points is much easier to accumulate than a h-h record. That is a fact. I liked your post. I like H2H.. it rewards consistency.
Just don't agree with this.
This was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier to accumulate.
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by Eddiejag:
Sound Advice great post.I get sick of the Head to Head bashing.I would also love to see the plaoff's for 3rd and 4th place.But keep that secret as the point guys might attack,again. Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
I'd like to do away with total points meaning anything for individual lges, other than as a tiebreaker. Replace total points champ with all-play champ. How about this:
1st place = best h2h record
2nd place = best remaining all-play record
3rd palce - next best all-play record
Continuing on in the spirit of winning or losing each week, the top three above in each league would make the National Championship for which there would be an all-play style elimination each week with the bottom half of scorers getting eliminated.
So, if there are 30 leagues:
* 90 teams would make the natl championship
* 45 would survive week 14
* 22 would survive week 15 and play for the championship in week 16
Sound Advice great post.I get sick of the Head to Head bashing.I would also love to see the plaoff's for 3rd and 4th place.But keep that secret as the point guys might attack,again. Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
I'd like to do away with total points meaning anything for individual lges, other than as a tiebreaker. Replace total points champ with all-play champ. How about this:
1st place = best h2h record
2nd place = best remaining all-play record
3rd palce - next best all-play record
Continuing on in the spirit of winning or losing each week, the top three above in each league would make the National Championship for which there would be an all-play style elimination each week with the bottom half of scorers getting eliminated.
So, if there are 30 leagues:
* 90 teams would make the natl championship
* 45 would survive week 14
* 22 would survive week 15 and play for the championship in week 16
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern.
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern.
Jules is a Dirt bag and makes my luck.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eddiejag:
[qb] Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.The only "spell" I've fallen under is the Corona Spell. That would be it.
I was accused of giving too much emphasis to h2h from the very beginning, but continue to give equal priority to h2h and total points when it comes to the top league prize. The data through Week 10 shows many teams still in the fight for second and third place league money under our current system and honestly I don't see anything that screams out for a change. The second best h2h record is not necessarily the third best team in that league (or even a Top 5 team in many cases) and I know Darryl won't be happy but after looking through all 43 main event leagues I don't see anything that says "add a third place league tie-breaker."
We have h2h and total points. Lumpy won't like me either, but I don't think adding all-play as a third place determiner is the answer either. So I'm not under any spell other than I think our game is pretty solid right now and I'll need more convincing before changing what we have now.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eddiejag:
[qb] Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.The only "spell" I've fallen under is the Corona Spell. That would be it.
I was accused of giving too much emphasis to h2h from the very beginning, but continue to give equal priority to h2h and total points when it comes to the top league prize. The data through Week 10 shows many teams still in the fight for second and third place league money under our current system and honestly I don't see anything that screams out for a change. The second best h2h record is not necessarily the third best team in that league (or even a Top 5 team in many cases) and I know Darryl won't be happy but after looking through all 43 main event leagues I don't see anything that says "add a third place league tie-breaker."
We have h2h and total points. Lumpy won't like me either, but I don't think adding all-play as a third place determiner is the answer either. So I'm not under any spell other than I think our game is pretty solid right now and I'll need more convincing before changing what we have now.
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern. [/QUOTE]John, if the best all-play teams also are the best points team then why use points?
If one team sneaks in to the natl championship over one better all-play team, isn't that reason enough to use all-play if you believe in the merit of H2H-consistency?
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern. [/QUOTE]John, if the best all-play teams also are the best points team then why use points?
If one team sneaks in to the natl championship over one better all-play team, isn't that reason enough to use all-play if you believe in the merit of H2H-consistency?
Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Greg, why don't you like all-play to determine third place?
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern. [/QUOTE]John, if the best all-play teams also are the best points team then why use points?
If one team sneaks in to the natl championship over one better all-play team, isn't that reason enough to use all-play if you believe in the merit of H2H-consistency? [/QUOTE]I didn't quote that part of your response. So why are you avoiding my response and rehashing something I might not have a problem with? :rolleyes:
quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Teams that stink for weeks on end can put it all together for a couple of weeks and skew the standings in their favor using total pts ... that is not the spirit of a football game. You win or you lose each week, and that should be more important than putting up an occasional monster week.
Can you please show me which of the Top 25 teams in either event this applies to?
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this myth that one week so greatly changes the world here.
You make it seem like every top team can only be one that is 220-190-84-150-72-84-198-100-200-198, and that is clearly not the case.
I'm 17th in NFFC with one 195 and one 166. 7 of the other 8 are solid weeks 120-148 and I lost 4 of those.
The teams ahead of me have 1-2 more 166-195 scores and similar solid week pattern. [/QUOTE]John, if the best all-play teams also are the best points team then why use points?
If one team sneaks in to the natl championship over one better all-play team, isn't that reason enough to use all-play if you believe in the merit of H2H-consistency? [/QUOTE]I didn't quote that part of your response. So why are you avoiding my response and rehashing something I might not have a problem with? :rolleyes:
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eddiejag:
[qb] Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.The only "spell" I've fallen under is the Corona Spell. That would be it.
I was accused of giving too much emphasis to h2h from the very beginning, but continue to give equal priority to h2h and total points when it comes to the top league prize. The data through Week 10 shows many teams still in the fight for second and third place league money under our current system and honestly I don't see anything that screams out for a change. The second best h2h record is not necessarily the third best team in that league (or even a Top 5 team in many cases) and I know Darryl won't be happy but after looking through all 43 main event leagues I don't see anything that says "add a third place league tie-breaker."
We have h2h and total points. Lumpy won't like me either, but I don't think adding all-play as a third place determiner is the answer either. So I'm not under any spell other than I think our game is pretty solid right now and I'll need more convincing before changing what we have now. [/QUOTE]Greg, the NFFC does not give equal emphasis to H2H and Points ... in a 13-week season, odds are two teams will tie in wins in many lges.
So in case of a H2H tie, what then determines the winner? points.
What determines 2nd place? points
What determines 3rd place? points
What determines the natl championship? points
This is overwhelmingly a points league! I'd say it is 90% a points league with a 10% H2H teaser component, if that.
[ November 14, 2008, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eddiejag:
[qb] Yep, total points is overrated, even our fearless founder has fallen into their trap, I fear. I don't think Greg ever will do away with H2H, but his posts seem to indicate he's fallen under their "most points is the best indicator" spell.The only "spell" I've fallen under is the Corona Spell. That would be it.
I was accused of giving too much emphasis to h2h from the very beginning, but continue to give equal priority to h2h and total points when it comes to the top league prize. The data through Week 10 shows many teams still in the fight for second and third place league money under our current system and honestly I don't see anything that screams out for a change. The second best h2h record is not necessarily the third best team in that league (or even a Top 5 team in many cases) and I know Darryl won't be happy but after looking through all 43 main event leagues I don't see anything that says "add a third place league tie-breaker."
We have h2h and total points. Lumpy won't like me either, but I don't think adding all-play as a third place determiner is the answer either. So I'm not under any spell other than I think our game is pretty solid right now and I'll need more convincing before changing what we have now. [/QUOTE]Greg, the NFFC does not give equal emphasis to H2H and Points ... in a 13-week season, odds are two teams will tie in wins in many lges.
So in case of a H2H tie, what then determines the winner? points.
What determines 2nd place? points
What determines 3rd place? points
What determines the natl championship? points
This is overwhelmingly a points league! I'd say it is 90% a points league with a 10% H2H teaser component, if that.
[ November 14, 2008, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, why don't you like all-play to determine third place? 3rd place all play could be the 5th or 6th best points team just like h2h.
Greg, why don't you like all-play to determine third place? 3rd place all play could be the 5th or 6th best points team just like h2h.
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Should There Be A Third Place League Playoff In 2009?
Originally posted by JohnZ:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, why don't you like all-play to determine third place? 3rd place all play could be the 5th or 6th best points team just like h2h. [/QUOTE]Exactly my point, which means H2H consistency is worth nothing in this league.
[ November 14, 2008, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg, why don't you like all-play to determine third place? 3rd place all play could be the 5th or 6th best points team just like h2h. [/QUOTE]Exactly my point, which means H2H consistency is worth nothing in this league.
[ November 14, 2008, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]