Help! Right now w/ Lineup submission!!

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:54 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:
I would say UYT.

If this has happened to you, why would you NOT be my backup on this?

This should never have happened. It is a computer "glitch"
This happened to me years ago to me in a Yahoo league. When It happened I wasn't happy ... but my thoughts were ... $#@*&^% ... I need to make sure I put the late players in the flex position!

I just assumed it was part of the strategy ... and have never really had a second thought about it until now. I agree it's probably more of a programming limitation than a strategy hurdle ... but it is the same way in the other leagues I am in. I will back you up in concept ... and I think I have already stated that.

UYT

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:03 pm

It happen to me this week with Chambers also, but I moved him to WR on Friday. I wanted to have an option on Sunday.

dgamblnman · Post by **dgamblnman** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:08 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:

This should never have happened. It is a computer "glitch"

There is no "fact" here. Flex spot, means flexible. It is NOT a locked position.
TE,WR,RB is a locked position that fills the Flex spot once lineups are fully locked.

I deserve the points Marion Barber scored. Until someone shows me where I am locked into starting a FLEX as a FLEX. I'll post the lineup rules again if I need to. But as a reminder it only says what spots need to be filled.

3' Absolutely wrong and incorrect. The FLEX POSITION is a slot where you can put a RB/WR/TE meaning the spot is FLEXIBLE on who you can use. It DOES NOT mean you can use it to hold a player and then move him AFTER his game started. Once a player starts a game, he is locked into the position where he is located. Every fantasy site does this that offers a FLEX position.

It is not a glitch, it is far from it. You needed to manage the team better. And if GG and I agree on something, you should know you are wrong.

3INTBOY · Post by **3INTBOY** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:09 pm

Originally posted by Vega$ Gambler$:
Hey guys, the FLEX is a position in this fantasy football league. If you have a player in the FLEX position and he plays his game, he is locked into that position. Yes, the FLEX is a position in this contest. Chambers already played his game, you cannot change him to another position.

What is being said is that Chambers played his game already and is in the FLEX position. Now he wants to manage his roster and wants to move a player that has already played. There is no system that has ever allowed this. Even in WCOFF, once a player is locked, he is locked at that position.

Sorry, there is no problem here, you just dropped the ball on this one. Vegas. I am assuming you are the same VG from WCOFF>

Sorry I cannot take your word on this. Because in the WCOFF you do NOT start a Flex player.
And it is listed the same here. No rules clarification.
2RB
3WR
and a Flex player who is a WR,RB or TE.

MEANING THE FLEX IS EITHER A WR,TE or RB. NOT a FLEX PLAYER!

Today I started 2 RBs and 4WRs in the WCOFF. One WR is CONSIDERED a Flex player. I could have changed it up until the begining of games today. EVEN IF CHAMBERS WAS IN MY LINEUP.

There is no difference stated anywhere here.

And it has never been different in WCOFF, so you will have to reconsider you thought on that.

IT SHOULD BE CLEAR AND IS NOT, therefore I should get the points.

3'

[ October 23, 2005, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: 3INTBOY ]

3INTBOY · Post by **3INTBOY** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:20 pm

B. Lineup Submission: All lineups may be submitted on the league web site and must be entered prior to the scheduled kickoff for the game affected.

Please explain where it states a Flex is locked AS A FLEX.

Here are the lineup requirements: In the rules.

. Starting Lineup Requirements: Starting lineups will consist of:

1 Quarterback
2 Running Backs
3 Wide Receivers
1 Tight End
1 Flex Player (RB, WR or TE)
1 Kicker
1 Team Defense/Specials Team

I have no idea what sites you play on, but ANT, XPERTS, MY FANTASY Leagues ALL allow you to manage your roster and "redo" based on players available.

I want you or anyone else to show me where it states that I cannot manage my starting lineup based on FLEX as a spot that locks.

And again, If this has happened before then how the hell could it be left for me to learn, discover.... etc?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

And please no "That's the way it's always been" B.S. cause I am a new to the NFFC......

3'

"CC's Desperados
It happen to me this week with Chambers also, but I moved him to WR on Friday. I wanted to have an option on Sunday."

CC- I would be interested to know WHY/HOW you knew to do it.

I am VERY experienced. And have never had even the slightest idea that this would be a necessary lineup manipulation.

Thanks.

[ October 23, 2005, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: 3INTBOY ]

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:22 pm

Originally posted by Nag':
quote:Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:
Three people explained how the system worked and how 3INTBOY used the position wrong (I even said ... I had made that same mistake in years past in a Yahoo league and learned from it). He came back and said he was right and had nothing to learn. I am just stating the obvious at this point. He thinks he will get Greg to change his score. He is wrong and will remain ignorant until he accepts this fact and learns from it (regardless of if the current system is a good one or not).3intboy is ignorant because his view on this issue is different from yours. Really? Who's the ignorant one? Still think 3intboy is? I figured as much.
[/QUOTE]Although not strongly ... I have always agreed (in part) with 3INTBOY's view point. Even if I didn't ... I think different view points are good.

The current discussion isn't about the future ... it is about the current rules. I think he did not understand the current limitations on the Flex position. If he thinks Greg will change something on Monday he is still "ignorant" regarding the current application of the Flex Position. Do you think Greg will make his retroactive lineup change? I didn't think so.

(If Gekko state's that a QB TD pass is worth 8 points. He is ignorant. If he states ... next year a TD should be worth 8 points ... It's an opinion ... see the difference?)

Originally posted by Nag':

Agreed 100%. This is a quirk in the system that should've been corrected the minute it was noticed, as I'm sure this wasn't the first time. The software should NEVER interfere with the ability to properly set the lineup. An owner who is new to this system can not be expected to "figure this out" as he goes and this should NOT be a "live and learn" deal as was suggested by someone. There is absolutely no mention of this potential problem anywhere in the rules or these boards and it should've been.
Your right ... I did make the assumption you were not aware of this rule last year ... Because if you were aware of this last year and feal as strongly about it as you say you do ... I assume you would have tried to get Greg to change it (or at least ask Greg to make people more aware of it in the rules). If you were aware of this last year ... and thought is was such a proplem ... why did you sit on it until now? Who really let 3INTBOY down?

Last year Greg made 4 or 5 changes to the wording of the rules at my request ... because I thought it was confusing or in error ... I even did this by phone when I thought it was very important or urgent ... He is very open to input and corrections.

I have never been a big Gekko fan ... but I now think I know why you two don't get along.

UYT

mikeybok · Post by **mikeybok** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:31 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:
And again, If this has happened before then how the hell could it be left for me to learn, discover.... etc?
To me ... this is standard operating procedure ... I don't know any different and have accepted this as the way things are done.

I agree that anyone who ran into this last year ... and thought it was bad or limiting ... and did nothing ... did let you down. IMHO

UYT

BLACKHAND · Post by **BLACKHAND** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:33 pm

my opinion is why should ANYONE have an advantage of moving a player after his final point total has been reached. never should you box yourself in on a flex player on a thursday , friday , or saturday game.

dgamblnman · Post by **dgamblnman** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:37 pm

I have played Any and My leagues, once your player starts a game, he is locked into the position where you placed them into a lineup.

The rules clearly state the flex position is a position. The rules also state once a player games starts, they are locked where ever they are placed on your roster, either in the starting lineup or the bench..

As far as WCOFF, if you have 3 RBs and they all play friday, they are locked into that position and yo ucannot move them.

You screwed up Lou, you put a player into the strating lineup and he got locked there when thier game started. It was bad management on your part.

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:49 pm

Originally posted by 3INTBOY:
I am not looking for an argument.

The flex is NOT a starting position. WR, TE RB is a position.

Flex is an OPTION as to what of those 3 positions you can use there. It should be FLEXIBLE who/when that player is placed in that linep place.....

Please show me where it states the Flex is a perminent submitted spot in a lineup.....

3'

I also do not appreciate having NO REPLY and NO PHONE number to speak with someone in case of a lineup submission problem. What you are saying is that you should be able to MOVE SOMEONE already locked out.

That simply can not be allowed.

GG is right.

I locked in T.Gonzalez at flex and wish I hadn't.