Add D/K to Flex?

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:50 pm

Add me to the "I don't like this idea" side.

All this does is let the "fish" breathe a little longer, and then WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN???

I have been playing FF for 19 years and there is nothing....NOTHING, worse than losing to a team who got a crazy week out of their kicker or defense!

This is like when you are playing hold em, and you have two pair, top pair... whatever, and the flop throws down 3 hearts. You know the other guy has ONE heart, so instead of letting him WAIT AROUND by not betting big, you bet HUGE and muscle him out.

Letting the fish have "an out" (a defense or kicker at flex) when they didn't prepare in the first place, is taking the SKILL & MANAGEMENT out of the game.

Sorry Gekko, I LOVED BBDS, but this is just not a good idea IMO.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:18 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
All this does is let the "fish" breathe a little longer, and then WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN???

I have been playing FF for 19 years and there is nothing....NOTHING, worse than losing to a team who got a crazy week out of their kicker or defense!

Letting the fish have "an out" (a defense or kicker at flex) when they didn't prepare in the first place, is taking the SKILL & MANAGEMENT out of the game.

Sorry Gekko, I LOVED BBDS, but this is just not a good idea IMO. funny how people talk about fish, like it's not them. how many defenses and kickers did you have on your roster at one time last year billy?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:27 pm

Originally posted by Shrink Attack:
That's my $0.02. Now being that I'm a MB newbie, I'm prepared for my first Gordon Gekko snap-back. Go ahead GG, but remember it's my first time so be gentle.

you make some good points, and you make some points that i don't agree with. overall...good first try

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:28 pm

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Letting the fish have "an out" (a defense or kicker at flex) when they didn't prepare in the first place, is taking the SKILL & MANAGEMENT out of the game.
i don't understand why playing an extra kicker or defense means that the owner is unprepared. please don't tell me you are that simple-minded

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:24 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
All this does is let the "fish" breathe a little longer, and then WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN???

I have been playing FF for 19 years and there is nothing....NOTHING, worse than losing to a team who got a crazy week out of their kicker or defense!

Letting the fish have "an out" (a defense or kicker at flex) when they didn't prepare in the first place, is taking the SKILL & MANAGEMENT out of the game.

Sorry Gekko, I LOVED BBDS, but this is just not a good idea IMO. funny how people talk about fish, like it's not them. how many defenses and kickers did you have on your roster at one time last year billy?

[/QUOTE]I don't ever recall having more than 2 kickers on my team. I think I had 3 defenses once, because I was playing the "matchups" down the stretch, as I was out of it. Honestly, I don't think I would ever have started 2 anyhow, as I was just looking ahead in future weeks.

I had some injured players, or players who weren't producing on my bench, so why not replace them with some defenses?

[ June 01, 2006, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: BillyWaz ]

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:32 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by BillyWaz:
Letting the fish have "an out" (a defense or kicker at flex) when they didn't prepare in the first place, is taking the SKILL & MANAGEMENT out of the game.
i don't understand why playing an extra kicker or defense means that the owner is unprepared. please don't tell me you are that simple-minded [/QUOTE]It is quite simple Gekko. In say Week 10, there are NO viable options available at RB, WR, or TE (which is often the case), so because that person didn't think ahead (plan for byes or injuries), we are going to give them an "out"? :rolleyes:

You don't seem the type to give out charity Gekko, but that is EXACTLY what this concept would be doing.

On another note, I respect you enough to not even ask if you are simple-minded. Just because I don't agree with your idea, doesn't make me "simple-minded". If you TRULY looked at ALL sides of this concept (i.e played "Devil's Advocate" I KNOW you would see this "side of the coin".

BillyWaz · Post by **BillyWaz** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:00 am

Originally posted by Ugly Yellow Tomatoes:

I vote no kickers or defenses in the flex position ... and if you must let in kickers ... definitely no Defenses! But more importantly ... Please do not let this rule in the Draft Champions league.

UYT VERY good point UYT! That being said,, it would be difficult to not have ALL the NFFC events on the same scoring system.

This in the DC, would TOTALLY change everything (not for the better IMO).

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:22 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
On another note, I respect you enough to not even ask if you are simple-minded. Just because I don't agree with your idea, doesn't make me "simple-minded". If you TRULY looked at ALL sides of this concept (i.e played "Devil's Advocate" I KNOW you would see this "side of the coin". billy, simple minded in regards to...playing an extra kicker or defense means that the owner is unprepared. please explain why you think this is true

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:25 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
If you TRULY looked at ALL sides of this concept (i.e played "Devil's Advocate" I KNOW you would see this "side of the coin". i see both sides of the coin. i'm merely poking a little further. like i said i'm looking for downside. claiming that folks are unprepared because they may use 2 kickers or defenses doesn't seem to fit

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:30 am

Originally posted by BillyWaz:
It is quite simple Gekko. In say Week 10, there are NO viable options available at RB, WR, or TE (which is often the case), so because that person didn't think ahead (plan for byes or injuries), we are going to give them an "out"? :rolleyes:
week 10 last year s.gado was the hot free agent pickup.