QB points

[chriseibl]

PPR just equals out the RB's and WR's. I mean look at Calvin, take PPR away and he's 100 points behind the top RB.

Not if you remove PPR for RBs too. Charles would lose 57 points, so his non-PPR total would be 238 vs. 206 for Calvin - just 32 points. And subjectively, which of them has had the better season?

I think it should go back to .5 PPR for RBs...far too easy to just load up on WRs and take a chance on receiving back specialist like a Pierre Thomas/Shane Vereen/Woodhead in later rds who get 5-10 receptions per game...basically giving them a TD and devaluing true feature backs like Lynch.

Why wouldn't one want this game to be easy? I loved watching teams take a guy like Brandon Jacobs in the first couple rounds a few years back and subsequently writing that team off for not understanding the scoring system.

[TR]

I think it should go back to .5 PPR for RBs...far too easy to just load up on WRs and take a chance on receiving back specialist like a Pierre Thomas/Shane Vereen/Woodhead in later rds who get 5-10 receptions per game...basically giving them a TD and devaluing true feature backs like Lynch.[/quote]

Why wouldn't one want this game to be easy? I loved watching teams take a guy like Brandon Jacobs in the first couple rounds a few years back and subsequently writing that team off for not understanding the scoring system.[/quote]

Same reason I don't like the real NFL being so easy for offenses to score now with all the rule changes making it rare to have a strong defense now...cheapens everything.

[Jersey Dawg]

Just reading through this and a couple of points seem to stand out that I agree with:

1) Passing points per 20 yards AND 6 per passing TD seems too generous. I agree, move the TD points to 4 OR passing points to 25 yards. A QB outscoring both RB's and your flex combined on a semi-regular basis seems silly.

2) I love the idea or rewarding rushing attempts with a fractional point. Maybe .25 points per attempt. It would at least reward the workhorse RB that carries the load most of the game but is vultured for the TD or taken out when his team is behind so the "pass catching" RB can come in.

Pete

[KenGill]

Sandman's analysis: because people lie but numbers don't. Good stuff!

My ideas........
* Keep QB TD's at 6, same as other positions. A TD is 6 points in real life and should be the same here.
* Decrease the points for QB's yards. 1 point per 25 seems reasonable.
* 2 QB play in a 14 team league is probably not going to be realistic but maybe should be tried in 12 team leagues
* RB point per reception should be cut back to .5 points. Keep WR PPR's at 1.0

[TR]

Sandman's analysis: because people lie but numbers don't. Good stuff!

My ideas........
* Keep QB TD's at 6, same as other positions. A TD is 6 points in real life and should be the same here.
* Decrease the points for QB's yards. 1 point per 25 seems reasonable.
* 2 QB play in a 14 team league is probably not going to be realistic but maybe should be tried in 12 team leagues
* RB point per reception should be cut back to .5 points. Keep WR PPR's at 1.0

I agree on all pts but don't think QB yards should be decreased as it would give running QBs more of an advantage over the pocket passers.

[BillyWaz]

Sandman's analysis: because people lie but numbers don't. Good stuff!

My ideas........
* Keep QB TD's at 6, same as other positions. A TD is 6 points in real life and should be the same here.
* Decrease the points for QB's yards. 1 point per 25 seems reasonable.
* 2 QB play in a 14 team league is probably not going to be realistic but maybe should be tried in 12 team leagues
* RB point per reception should be cut back to .5 points. Keep WR PPR's at 1.0

I agree on all pts but don't think QB yards should be decreased as it would give running QBs more of an advantage over the pocket passers.

True, but look at all the subpar games that Newton, Kaepernick, etc. have had because while they run for 40+, but only throw for 200 or less.

While I agree it gives them a "bump", it wouldn't make me take Cam Newton over a lot of other guys.

[Sandman62]

- I think it's all relative.. 6 point league, just draft a qb HIGHER if your concerned.

But that doesn't solve everything because the high-scoring QB format makes for some wild swings throughout the season - even for QBs that aren't drafted early or at all. This was Wayne's point about standard deviation.

Using just the QBs that show up on the first page of the stats (25 QBs), because it's just too tedious to copy/paste more... In just the last 5 weeks, 30 QBs scored 30+ points.
I count 14 who weren't drafted as QB1s (or at all):

Wk ADP Pos Player Pts
14 ND QB McCown, Josh (CHI) 51.0
13 32.56 Manning, Peyton (DEN) 45.8
14 32.56 Manning, Peyton (DEN) 43.7
10 23.41 Brees, Drew (NO) 43.6
14 75.58 Luck, Andrew (IND) 43.5
11 158.69 Roethlisberger, Ben (PIT) 43.5
14 ND Campbell, Jason (CLE) 40.2
14 23.41 Brees, Drew (NO) 39.9
10 32.56 Manning, Peyton (DEN) 39.4
14 144.93 Dalton, Andy (CIN) 38.8
13 95.48 Wilson, Russell (SEA) 38.2
12 191.88 Rivers, Philip (SD) 37.7
10 87.72 Griffin III, Robert (WAS) 36.4
14 158.69 Roethlisberger, Ben (PIT) 35.2
11 62.01 Newton, Cam (CAR) 34.6
12 52.34 Brady, Tom (NE) 34.2
13 62.01 Newton, Cam (CAR) 33.9
11 162.85 Palmer, Carson (ARI) 32.6
10 215.33 Foles, Nick (PHI) 32.2
14 52.34 Brady, Tom (NE) 32.0
13 207.69 Weeden, Brandon (CLE) 32.0
13 215.33 Foles, Nick (PHI) 32.0
12 77.40 Kaepernick, Colin (SF) 31.7
14 199.37 Tannehill, Ryan (MIA) 31.6
10 241.00 Fitzpatrick, Ryan (TEN) 31.5
11 87.72 Griffin III, Robert (WAS) 30.6
12 ND Fitzpatrick, Ryan (TEN) 30.6
11 76.30 Stafford, Matthew (DET) 30.5
12 196.78 Smith, Alex (KC) 30.4
13 76.30 Stafford, Matthew (DET) 30.3

Contrast that with the number of position players that have scored 30+ that weren't drafted or were drafted late... that is a much much smaller number. Even if you account for the fact that position players don't score as much as QBs, and reduce the threshold to 25 or even 20, there are still precious few nobodies going off each week. And at positions, teams start 2-3, plus a flex - so we can make up ground against a lone outlier. Starting just one QB, if your opponent's puts up 40 and yours 15, you can only climb out of that hole via other positions.

When you can get 30+ points out of a bunch of non-drafted QBs on any given week, that simply increases the luck factor. I get it though,... that also increases entries.

Count me in favor of 4-point passing TDs and 1 point per 25 yards passing. And along the same "reduce standard deviation" line, with how pass-happy the NFL's become the past few years, is it time to drop PPR too?

Yet another woeful reminder of the extreme volatility of the NFFC QB scoring format. At least Foles has been a regular starter for awhile now. But the rest of this week's top QBs?!?

In addition to Charles owners, many championships will likely be influenced by one of these 8 scrub QBs who weren't even drafted as QB1s and were only started by teams who were forced to do so. Grrrrreat!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7wzc2cfz0abf ... layers.pdf

[Cocktails and Dreams]

yep if you like more random fluctuations 6 a td is for you

[wiljiro]

With all due respect - I SO 10000% percent disagree with the sentiment of this string - The QB scoring is just fine -

Please NOTE before reading on - In my opinion - Your Fantasy Season is about the 13 weeks of regular season. You invest your money - with the hopes of winning your league. The Three Week Run Championship for the BIG money is an absolute crap shoot - You get a ticket by performing well in your regular season - But how you do during those three weeks is rather random -

That being said, we had a strategy going into the draft - Let the QB's go - Take whoever is left (Wilson / RG3 et al) will be our starter - if not we will find someone of waivers during the season - We were kicking ourselves when Peyton blew up - But happy to see people like Brady under perform -

That strategy is paying off for us right now - Thanks Flynn..... - Without that strategy we don't get our hands on someone like DJax - when everyone is picking up their QB -

I for one think the system is fine - the 6 points per TD is perfect - and hope nothing changes -

That is all -

Peace,

Wil

[Sandman62]

With all due respect - I SO 10000% percent disagree with the sentiment of this string - The QB scoring is just fine -

Please NOTE before reading on - In my opinion - Your Fantasy Season is about the 13 weeks of regular season. You invest your money - with the hopes of winning your league. The Three Week Run Championship for the BIG money is an absolute crap shoot - You get a ticket by performing well in your regular season - But how you do during those three weeks is rather random -

That being said, we had a strategy going into the draft - Let the QB's go - Take whoever is left (Wilson / RG3 et al) will be our starter - if not we will find someone of waivers during the season - We were kicking ourselves when Peyton blew up - But happy to see people like Brady under perform -

That strategy is paying off for us right now - Thanks Flynn..... - Without that strategy we don't get our hands on someone like DJax - when everyone is picking up their QB -

I for one think the system is fine - the 6 points per TD is perfect - and hope nothing changes -

That is all -

Peace,

Wil

Did your "wait on a QB" draft strategy also tell you that Matt Flynn would lose the starting gig for the second time in two years, yet somehow end up starting for the Packers this late? Or that after his horrible play the past few games, he'd somehow go off in the 2nd half vs. DAL yesterday too, despite once again sucking for the entire first half?

I'm sorry, but when 8 or 9 top QBs in a single playoff week are absolute scrubs, I think the scoring format needs a tweak.