3RR/KDS, What Do You Think?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:21 pm

Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by Route C:
One thing I really like about the 3RR is you can have a bottom 4 draft slot and not feel like you HAVE TO take at least 1 stud WR because you WILL get one or an awfully good RB3 with the reversal.

One thing I hate about drafting near the back is the pressure to draft defensively instead of building my team the way I want to. Under the current format if I'm picking 11th and 12/13/14 all go RB/RB then I almost have to pick WR/WR or at least RB/WR just to help prevent the top 3 from starting out so strong. Even at that...I'm still playing catch up for the rest of the draft.

I say all this as an LT owner this year. Very nice.

The other thing I hate is the top picks don't have to make TOUGH decisions in first three rounds like other picks.

This debate has me know thinking this that is BY FAR the most important reason to switch.

That's really the even playing field we all desire. [/QUOTE]I agree with the reasons stated above.

Having a system that makes the #1 pick "sweat" his second round pick...and exposes the direction he may be heading as opposed to being able to "shore up" the base of his team with 3 of the first 29 picks may be a nice change.

It also allows his leaguemates to "block" or "steal" players based on the direction team #1 MAY be heading. This may be a nice way to offset the top slot getting to select any player in the NFL he/she wants to start his team with.

~Lance

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:22 pm

Originally posted by RiFF:
For the serious, informed FF Player 3RR/KDS has positives that probably out weigh the negatives. I believe you may have ingested a little too much of the 3RR/KDS Kool-Aid by saying "This would level the playing field from all spots..." I absolutely believe it will improve the late draft slots and marginally hurt draft spots 1-3 in 2007. I also believe it will make spots 5 and 6 and possibly 4 less attractive than a normal serpentine. I know some have said these spots move up in the 4th round so that offsets moving down in round 3. But you can't have it both ways. If moving down in round 3 and moving up in round 4 is viewed as a negative for slots 1-3 than it isn't consistent to than say it isn't a negative for slots 4-6.
Possibly your largest challenge will be convincing the novice or newcomer to NFFC that this change is in their best interest. Again, I believe it probably is, but they no longer will have the opportunity to "gain an advantage" by falling into the 1st or 2nd slot. And quite honestly, if they viewed being at the back of the pack as a negative; I'm not sure this change will overcome that. Also, I would be willing to bet, regardless of what literature is provided or what is verbally communicated to participants, on draft day many will be shocked to learn round 3 starts with slot 14. Oh, "I didn't know you meant that...", "but I have pick #1, it should be my turn..", "huh..did I miss a round..." etc, etc.
Also, as previously stated, I'm not convinced that 3RR/KDS is as fluid from year to year as it would have been from 2005 to 2006 and will be from 2006 to 2007. Having said that, I believe it is worthy of additional scrutiny. I'm just not sure "passing the Kool-Aid to the Choir" will prove much. Although I will have interest in the results. I don't disagree Rich. It's on me to communicate any change we might make, but this would be a big one. We'll see if I'm to the task or not.

By the way, there are liquid refreshments with me tonight, but they don't say Kool-Aid on the label. Apparently you don't know me well enough!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:25 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote: Having a system that makes the #1 pick "sweat" his second round pick...and exposes the direction he may be heading as opposed to being able to "shore up" the base of his team with 3 of the first 29 picks may be a nice change.

It also allows his leaguemates to "block" or "steal" players based on the direction team #1 MAY be heading. This may be a nice way to offset the top slot getting to select any player in the NFL he/she wants to start his team with.

~Lance [/QB][/QUOTE]Lance, you are coming around to this concept, too? This really is a revelation!!! Wow, what a day. Spread the word to your other mates over there as some guys may want a say in their draft spots, wouldn't you say? Especially after the data about LT dominating over there is so strong!

Anyway, I know you don't drink Kool-Aid, as riff is stating above. I trust your liquid is on par with mine this evening!

Carry on. Thanks.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:26 pm

I love a simple random serpentine draft...but the 3RR added to the KDS is something that is easy to understand, and offers you a slight choice in the matter. (For those that need a control)

I also think you could work it into the main event in 2007 with little resistance.

~Lance

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:29 pm

You know me Greg...Tequilla/OJ...keeps the stress down...the sleep deep...and the ideas flowing!

"CHEERS!"

~Lance

ultimatefs · Post by **ultimatefs** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:34 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
I agree with the reasons stated above.

Having a system that makes the #1 pick "sweat" his second round pick...and exposes the direction he may be heading as opposed to being able to "shore up" the base of his team with 3 of the first 29 picks may be a nice change.

It also allows his leaguemates to "block" or "steal" players based on the direction team #1 MAY be heading. This may be a nice way to offset the top slot getting to select any player in the NFL he/she wants to start his team with.

~Lance [/QB][/quote]

Correctamundo. The last 3-4 picks of round 2 are now very tough decisions, instead of "what stud falls into my lap", or what "TWO STUDS do I box here?"

Will a decent RB be there at 42? Most likely, but can you afford that chance?

The same EXACT questions the other end has always had to deal with and now #1 has to finally deal with.

Eddiejag · Post by **Eddiejag** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:26 pm

Gordon , what are you going to say , when i go back to back in the ULTIMATE , picking from the 11th pick.10 and 2 , and now 3rd in total points in this league. BUILD FOR THE PLAYOFFS.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:41 pm

Originally posted by Eddiejag:
Gordon , what are you going to say , when i go back to back in the ULTIMATE , picking from the 11th pick.10 and 2 , and now 3rd in total points in this league. BUILD FOR THE PLAYOFFS. i will say nice job.

if you are tooting your own horn here in the ULT...can you post the other leagues you don't have a top 3 slot and where you currently are ranked via points?

thanks.

Eddiejag · Post by **Eddiejag** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:28 pm

GORDON , there is a big difference in a 100 dollar league done in july , or a magazine league that im not doing very good , also early.
I would go with the big money leagues .Dont you agree .Gordon this is the 11th pick in the ultimate againest some of the best players around.You cant say crutch, can you.
IF i win this league , the year with LJ AND LT, i want more than nice job.
Also not blowing my horn, just responding to your post.
By the way , who's winning the Gekko mid season league, never mind , probably some guy with the 1st pick. hee hee hee hee all in fun