Why do most leagues still use a DST and K?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:03 am

Originally posted by Sandman62:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by larry schechter:
[qb]In one DC league though, we drafted Kaeding AND Hartley. That sure worked out great!

Kaeding got hurt on the first kickoff of the season. They both got hurt, just like other NFL players. It happens. We draft them, hope they stay healthy and hope they excel to our projections, just like every other position. I'm really not sure what the purpose of the discussion is. Kickers aren't going away in the NFFC or any other legitimate fantasy league around.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:28 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:

It's not perfect but for instance I did load up on the 49's this year just because of their schedule. I ended up having them on 13/20 teams this year. Lucky - yes, but I liked the schedule and the coach. That proved to be a good call and you should be commended for it. I was higher on the Eagles this season and that was a bad call. At the end of the day that's what it boils down to - player evaluation. Defenses and kickers are no different than any other position. Identify, target and acquire the proper players and things will work out. If you don't, then the position is going to be a struggle.

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:44 am

If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes:

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:47 am

Originally posted by Sandman62:
If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes: Why do some people prefer QBBC and why do some people like drafting WRs with their first three picks whereas others like to load up at RB? Why do some people draft stud TEs early and why do others prefer to wait? Because that's the strategy people employ.

There's no foolproof way to win at this game. We all have our thoughts and ideas and approaches and quite often they are vastly different. That's one of the many things that makes this game so much fun. If we all analyzed and drafted the same way it would be a real boring game. Fortunately, that's not the case and fortunately there are a lot of exciting moments that come from all of our positions every season that enhance the excitement level.

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:11 am

Originally posted by Sandman62:
If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes: uh point differentiation......

Wayne

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:17 am

Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes: uh point differentiation......

Wayne [/QUOTE]Exactly what I already said regarding the difference between K2 and K14. If they're only separated by 1 PPG, what exactly is the advantage to having K2 over K14? Therefore, where exactly is the supposed strategy?

We can't ALL land Akers ya know.

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:21 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes: Why do some people prefer QBBC and why do some people like drafting WRs with their first three picks whereas others like to load up at RB? Why do some people draft stud TEs early and why do others prefer to wait? Because that's the strategy people employ.

There's no foolproof way to win at this game. We all have our thoughts and ideas and approaches and quite often they are vastly different. That's one of the many things that makes this game so much fun. If we all analyzed and drafted the same way it would be a real boring game. Fortunately, that's not the case and fortunately there are a lot of exciting moments that come from all of our positions every season that enhance the excitement level. [/QUOTE]All good points Tom about differing draft strategies - except that none of the strategies mentioned have anything to do with DSTs and kickers. Again, why do we not see ANYONE drafting a DST in the first 8 rounds or a kicker in the first 15??? I'd say, on these positions, the fantasy community is undeniably largely in agreement on draft strategy.

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:34 am

Originally posted by Sandman62:
quote:Originally posted by Coltsfan:
quote:Originally posted by Sandman62:
If they're no different than other positions, then why are no DSTs drafted until round 9 or 10 and no kickers til rounds 17-20? :rolleyes: uh point differentiation......

Wayne [/QUOTE]Exactly what I already said regarding the difference between K2 and K14. If they're only separated by 1 PPG, what exactly is the advantage to having K2 over K14? Therefore, where exactly is the supposed strategy?

We can't ALL land Akers ya know. [/QUOTE]Mike,

You are obviously very good with numbers but you often times take seem to manipulate numbers to build a case. You did it in the Tebow thread and it's happening again.

Everybody starts WR2-14. They are very identifiable and easy calls. PK2-14 are not always easy calls. The scoring differs quite a bit from week to week. But the point is that if PK2-14 at the end of a year are known commodities throughout the year then obviously it wouldn't make much difference if we started them or not. But they are not known commodities so statistically it doesn't matter if PK2 is only one ppg more than pk14. People are starting kickers outside of those 14 and some are even picking up and dropping kickers based on opponents and even where the games are being played. You can't simply look at a point differential between 2 & 14 and say there's nothing to it.

Wayne

Sandman62 · Post by **Sandman62** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:47 am

At the risk of further being accused of being a numbers manipulator... I believe this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

To be fair and accurate in your example Wayne, you'd have to analyze WR29-42 (or up to 56 even, if you consider flexing WRs) because that's how many WRs are started in every league every week. Cherry-picking the top 14 of a position when we start 2-3x more at that position is hardly a fair comparison because, yeah, of course the top 1/3 or 1/4 of a position are started every week. :rolleyes:

I'd venture a guess that when comparing WR29-42 to K2-K14, we'd find a similar amount of them on people's benches and in lineups, and a similar amount of players beyond these rankings IN people's lineups.

[ January 02, 2012, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Sandman62 ]

Coltsfan · Post by **Coltsfan** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:30 am

Mike,

Correct but nobody is calling WR's irrelevant. I believe your point is that either kicker scoring is irrelevant because it's random or else it's not needed because there is little differentiation in the scoring. Either way, I don't get the argument to do away with kickers and/or defenses.

I guess you missed my point all together.

Wayne